The Wii confuses me. I like Nintendo's first party games, and I like the fact that I KNOW that Nintendo will be in the console race for at least two more gens... but at the same time, I feel that the Wii is overpriced considering its graphical and storage capabilities, dislike the weak online (only good games to play online are mario kart and hardcore tetris DS), and really dislike the Wii remote, as it feels imprecise and gimmicky.

  Few games seem better suited for the Wii remote than then the GC controller. Zelda translates fine but is not superior; a modified version of Galaxy (modified the crucial spin move) would be superior with a GC controller, Super Monkey Ball Banna Blitz is terrible, Sonic and The Secret Rings is great except for horid controls that ruins the game, and the Wii remote version of NiGHTS is unplayable. Brawl would be horrilbe with motion controls and the GC controller is superior to Wii remote and Nunchuk. MK Wii Wheel is functional yet imprecise, like SMG's spin move.

 Wii Sports tennis is great with the Wii remote, and I have heard good things about Wario Ware Smooth moves and Raving Rabbids. (I have also heard good things about No More Heroes, but it sounds like that is due to incredible style more than controls)

 So in the end, the Wii doesn't make 1st party games worse, but it holds them back graphically. The expansion of casual gaming has me hopeful that Nintendo will have more money to create quality hardcore/for everyone games, (not brain age, I mean SMG and Animal Crossing ect), yet at the same time I am afraid that the Wii will crush the 3rd party support of hardcore friendly consoles like the PS3 and 360.

 Look at DS vs PSP- PSP is arguably the better system for playing hardcore games due to larger screen, better graphics and sounds, superior Dpad and shoulder buttons, and an analog nub. The DS is also arguably better thanks to it's ability to have touch and traditional controls. I am fearful that the Wii will kill PS360 support the way DS had killed (or almost killed) PSP support.

The DS retains all the buttons of GBA, and even adds and X and Y button, so hardcore functionality is increased and new game controls with stylus are introduced.  The Wii remote, on the other hand, adds pointer and twist funtinality, but takes away many of the (imo) perfectly designed buttons from the GC controller, thus making games more casual friendly at the cost of making hardcore games imprecise. I would rather play with a couple joysticks, and don't want to have to play Soul Calibur 5 and Devil May Cry 5 with a Wii remote and inferior graphics.

 So is the Wii good or bad for hardcore gamers? I honestly am unsure.

 Discuss

Its doing neither. He is targetting a new audience while maintaining hardcore gaming.

Edit: Also I disagree with your opinion about the psp being better for hardcore gaming because it has a bigger screen. That means its better for console gaming on the go, but handheld gaming is different.

There's a lot to respond to (that's a good thing), so I'll start with one chunk. I would argue that, contrary to your thesis, the DS has done more for hardcore gaming than the PSP has.

It's offered us novel ways to play games, letting us do things that simply aren't possible on any other system. TWEWY, Ninja Gaiden Sword, Elite Beat Agents: these are all "hardcore" (hate that term) games that couldn't be done anywhere else. Look at it this way: do you want a Portable PS2, or do you want a system where fresh ideas can thrive?

This ties in to the Wii. The system is new. It can do things no other console ever could. And with time, developers will take advantage of that. Remember, 3rd party DS games didn't get good until about two years after its release, as developers had to wrap their heads around the system. The Wii will be the same. True, neither system can offer you the visuals that their rivals can, but gaming is far, far more than just pretty visuals.

i dont like wii except for the loz tp, and not its not hurting hardcore players cuase u can choo neither ps360 or pc

well put it this way, if all consoles were like the Wii with Wii type games, then i would stick to pc games

no i dont think its hurtin the hardcore,why is it that everyone thinks that only hardcores are important even casuals want games to play,we all were once casuals,some of those will become hardcore gamers.
but when we were younger and being casuals,we never though of playing a game like god of war,now did we

True, but you must consider something; DS takes a step forward over GBA with vastly superior visuals, new buttons, AND adds a second screen and a touch screen. I view the Wii as a sidestep Nintendo had to take to dodge being marginalized... so while it was important for surival, this step sideways doesn't really offer anything superior to GC, just different. GC controls are taken away and are replace with simplified Wii Remote and Nunchuk, BUT motion controls are added. Unlike DS, this is but, not and. Also, graphics are better, but nothing incredilbe like GBA to DS; its more like the jump between GC and Xbox.

So will the Wii really be the same? Many great DS games offer button pressing for parts of games and stlus conrol for other parts. I doubt Wii games will ever have us plauggin in our GC/classic controllers for segments of the game that work better traditional controls. The tradiitonal controls the Wii Remote and nunchuk offer are gimped.

The whole concept of hardcore gaming is flawed. Really, what is 'superior' playing with your toys. (so what if they are electronic).

What is the difference?

Benefitting! I can play games with my wife on it or by myself... great system. Second best system purchase to date (after the SNES)

Obviously you haven't used the controller for long periods of time or with games that utilize it well.  The controller is awesome and works great.