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DirtyP2002 said:
hunter_alien said:
Well I would deffinatly like one . Dont get me wrong , I dont think that the nazi ideology is a good one , but I do respect men whom are ready to die for their country , and the germans fought untill their lest man ... thats what I call a real patriot ;) Knowing Kojima we could have a WW2 Nazi simulator soon :P

 

 What the **** are you talking about? Real patriot? I really hope this is some sort of over the top sarcasm. 13-16 years old boys had to fight a russian army. They were send strictly into death at a time the war was already over. They did not fight for their country, they fought, because they were told to fight. otherwise they would have been killed immediately. That is real patriotism...

 

Being forced to fight or be shot at 13 is patriotism? Seriously, please read about what the Russians did. And hunter_alien, please read up on the Nazis. I'm not into all this 'well they killed more people' stuff. Both the Soviets and the Nazis had ideologies that I would regard as evil and committed horrific crimes that I would also regard as evil. Spend the afternoon browsing through some wikipedia articles and you'll see what a terrible place the world would have become if either ideology had become dominant.

Both killed people who disagreed with them, both killed people who fell into a particular group they didn't like, both killed millions of their own countrymen.



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ferret1603 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
thekitchensink said:
Were there really any big, decisive, 'glorious' battles that the Germans actually won?

 

 WTF?! can't be serious! Plz keep on talking about videogames, because you have no idea about ww2. I am not saying the russians did no bad things, but as far as I know, there were no Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen in russia.

You need to read up on history, Russians had their version of concentration camps. Read about the gulags, the Russians were only our allies out of convenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulags

 

 I know those, don't worry. But they were not against a special race or religion, like the "Konzentrationslager". KZs were for jews, just because they were jews. Both are cruel anyway.



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ferret1603 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
hunter_alien said:
Well I would deffinatly like one . Dont get me wrong , I dont think that the nazi ideology is a good one , but I do respect men whom are ready to die for their country , and the germans fought untill their lest man ... thats what I call a real patriot ;) Knowing Kojima we could have a WW2 Nazi simulator soon :P

 

 What the **** are you talking about? Real patriot? I really hope this is some sort of over the top sarcasm. 13-16 years old boys had to fight a russian army. They were send strictly into death at a time the war was already over. They did not fight for their country, they fought, because they were told to fight. otherwise they would have been killed immediately. That is real patriotism...

 

Being forced to fight or be shot at 13 is patriotism? Seriously, please read about what the Russians did. And hunter_alien, please read up on the Nazis. I'm not into all this 'well they killed more people' stuff. Both the Soviets and the Nazis had ideologies that I would regard as evil and committed horrific crimes that I would also regard as evil. Spend the afternoon browsing through some wikipedia articles and you'll see what a terrible place the world would have become if either ideology had become dominant.

Both killed people who disagreed with them, both killed people who fell into a particular group they didn't like, both killed millions of their own countrymen.

 

 I think you did not get my sarcasm. I try to say that this had NOTHING to do with patriotism. And I try to point out, that the Nazi-ideology was and is more or less the worst thing on this planet.



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Today's Germans are so sensitive about the Führer...

Com'on, can't you at least be proud of the Wermacht damn it.



kasillas88 said:
As long as they keep out any image or mention of the Holocaust and dont make a level where your a German soldier in a raised bunker with a Heavy Machine gun mowing down americans as they approach the beach on D-day. I think those are two events that us americans are still sensitive to. But honestly I believe a game based on a Nazi soldier could make for a badass campaign and story.

 

you can play as a german in battlefield 1942. there was even a map where you spawned in a bunker on d-day in front of a machine gun.



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kylohk said:
I remembered a RTS game for the PC where you can play as the Germans. The problem with releasing such shooters is that it may be banned in Germany (and possibly Austria) since most activities related to Nazis are illegal there!

(It's quite silly that the Nazi logos in MoH:H2 have been replaced with some hollow crosses)

You mean the Codename: Panzers or the Blitzkrieg game series. They were very popular in Germany.

BTW: Austria doesn't ban those games.



Aww yes, I remember that map.. that was really, the greatest moment of the game.. After all those years of killing germans just because the plots needed me to.. AT LAST I could mow down every single allie I could target... I think I replayed that map 3.. maybe 4 times.

Anyhow, I really support the idea of playing on the other side.. as the "bad guys".. even if it was something strategic.. especially if it was a bit strategic.. Believe me, I could come up with a few plotlines as we speak ^^

// Please, take your time to read this :)

You see children, everything, and I mean everything, depends on the point of view. Just because your country chose to support the CCCR, it doesn't mean that they didn't kill millions of innocent people. You see, the Russian ideology was too, kind of racist, communism's first principle is, that everyone be equal. And for that you needed to get rid of the people who were different than others. In my country.. and I recall that it was done in all countries, EVERYONE richer than others was loaded into cargo trains and deported to Northern-Siberia. That means if you had a farm slightly bigger that the other guy, 2-3 more cows than your neighbour, you were simply removed from your home with the rest of your family. You see, there were no railways further in Siberia, so people were taken off the trains and forced to travel hundreds of kilometers in harsh Russian winter (-30/-40 degrees Celsius) to get to their camps. They knew no russian, they were freezing their asses off and they had to work around 10 hours a day chopping wood. Sometimes there was food, sometimes not.. The food was usually hot water with a bit of salt in it, and if you were lucky, a chunk of meat. most of them (~75%) died, including ~95% of the children.

You see, when I was young, my grandmother used to tell me about the horrors of war-time. They got out of it quite nicely, because they were poor and lived in the countryside, so there wasn't any point in bombing them. They used to get a few occasional guests, starving German troopers or starving Russian soldiers. She always told me (I guess it's because she remembered it best and because she knew from the horrors done to her family and their neighbours and friends) what the difference was between the Russians and Germans. German soldiers came - they didn't know the language ofcorse, but someone in the family knew german - and asked for whatever they wanted. Yes, ASKED is the word. And they payed for what they got. Russians on the other hand.. yes, you guessed it right, came and took whatever they wanted, all the money, slaughtered most of the animals, took vegetables from the ground... What they didn't need they simply broke or burnt or did whatever they liked with it. And oh dear, when you happened to be in their way.. they would rape you, push you into the mud, slice you with their knives, or if you were lucky, simply shoot you.

Now i'm NOT saying the germans didn't kill, rape, execute and starve innocent people, but still... be reasonable... Do you know what the russians did in Ukraine? Ukraine, the unlucky country had very good soil. So the russians, as always, destroyed it. They grew potatoes and wheat all over the country, and expected to get the highest possible ofcourse.  The russians had collected over 40 million tons of harvest in the past 2 years.. and had drained the land. So the ukrainians starved. For 2 years. It is estimated that up to 20 million people starved to death because of the russians' stupidity..

Do you recall anything like this happening in German provinces? The total number of the victims of the holocaust is estimated to be around 11 million (including the gays, disabled, communists, war-prisoners and slavic people killed).Isn't it kind of wierd that the holocaust is considered "The worst thing to happen in the 20'th century"? I mean, I wouldn't expect that the russians were smart enough to plan the Holodomor (Ukrainian starvation) but still, they died because of the russian's stupidity.. don't you think?

To those of you who think this was irrelevant, you can't have a discussion about a WW2 game without discussing this.

To those of you who think i'm a nazi supporter, I say that I don't like what they did, but i HATE what communists did.

And yes, english isn't my native tongue. And no, I am not ukrainian.

And thank you in advance for quoting me a hundred times and calling me an idiot, a child, a nazi and whatever else you can think of, I'll look forward to seeing you discussing.



They should make a Game where you play from both sides. Kinda like COD4. It would help show both sides are human. The story could start with the German invasion of Poland, and the morale would be high, then in Afrika things become tougher. Then you can play a mission as the French Res., Then a paratrooper on D-Day (beach storming has been done enough) Then late in the game you could play the Battle of the Bulge... etc. They could also do some mission with russia and the eartern front.

It would be called Call of Duty: European Theater (or MoH)

I think playing as the germans would be interesting.



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The Games Hearts of Iron 1 and 2 are designed around playing the Germans (although you can play as any country)

It is a semi RTS (you can pause it and organize and such... I actually was quite addictted to this game.



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Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

kylohk said:
I remembered a RTS game for the PC where you can play as the Germans. The problem with releasing such shooters is that it may be banned in Germany (and possibly Austria) since most activities related to Nazis are illegal there!

(It's quite silly that the Nazi logos in MoH:H2 have been replaced with some hollow crosses)

 

Sudden Strike! Awww that were great games.. love to play with the germans.. great RTS



 

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