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why would sony bring out a ps4 ?
if they do it will be more powerful than ps3 and will cost more $
i don't think we will be seeing a new Playstation in a long time...lol
thats what i think



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LOL, I ROFL'd when I read this original article :)


"Catching up" --> "Being outsold at a slower rate than before"

(not quite the "catching up" I am used to, but hey - if you define what the words mean...)



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sc94597 said:
321tttrini4everz said:
the only way PS3 will catch wii is when Nintendo introduces a next console
(well obviously SONY will push PS3 for about 10 years)

So when nintendo's new console is released, the wii will stop selling? Also I doubt the ps3 will last 10 years.

 

You are both right and wrong, depending on the way it should last so long. Being an "hardcore console" in no way PS3 could last 10 years as top Sony model, but it could last 5 to 7 years as top, then, after price reductions and PS4's release, last another 3 years as low end, like PS2 is doing. In 5 years, when PS3 will be 7, its components should cost really little money, like do now PS2's ones.

Obviously the same could easily happen to Wii when Wii2 comes, but as for MS I really don't know, this time they killed their old console little after the new one was born, what they want to do in the future isn't clear, we have only one precedent, it's difficult to draw a pattern, a behaviour, although in the markets where MS is strong, it always tries to kill its old products to make room for the new ones.

 



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The PS3 catching up the Wii, what is this guy smoking? LOL!



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RolStoppable said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
sc94597 said:

So when nintendo's new console is released, the wii will stop selling? Also I doubt the ps3 will last 10 years.

 

You are both right and wrong, depending on the way it should last so long. Being an "hardcore console" in no way PS3 could last 10 years as top Sony model, but it could last 5 to 7 years as top, then, after price reductions and PS4's release, last another 3 years as low end, like PS2 is doing. In 5 years, when PS3 will be 7, its components should cost really little money, like do now PS2's ones.

Obviously the same could easily happen to Wii when Wii2 comes, but as for MS I really don't know, this time they killed their old console little after the new one was born, what they want to do in the future isn't clear, we have only one precedent, it's difficult to draw a pattern, a behaviour, although in the markets where MS is strong, it always tries to kill its old products to make room for the new ones.

We have enough precedents to draw a pattern. Winning systems have an extended lifecycle, losing systems don't. The one exception is the Sega Genesis/Megadrive which was the most successful losing system and achieved 40 % marketshare, something that none of the losing systems this generation will come close to.

Based on that we can conclude that the Wii will live on for several years after a successor is launched, while the 360 and PS3 both will die off quickly after a successor is launched.

In line of principle you're right and I am sure that Wii will remain successful for a very long time, but we still don't know if PS3 and XB360 will be considered a flop or not in 5 years. Right now PS3 is doing worse than Wii, but is not doing so bad in absolute numbers, particularly as now it's Summer, and a hot one, and only Wii, with its social potential, seems immune to its effects on sales. Next Autumn and Winter we'll have a more significant picture of Wii's competitors, but even now we know Sony doesn't give up easily.

 



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Uraeus said:
Dolla Dolla said:
Uraeus said:
Actually you do not need to outsell someone to catch up. First of all the original article seems to use the term in the context of weekly sales. So they can mean catch up in weekly sales, which is different than lifetime sales (duh :).

Secondly, in terms of lifetime marketshare you do not need to outsell someone to 'catch up', you only need to do so to overtake. You just need to improve your sales ratio to be better than the historic one to start catching up in terms of market share. Of course if you actually outsell your competitor you will speed up the process of catching up in terms of market share a lot. Seriously people this is basic mathematics. Just to make it very simple. If you have lifetime sales of 50 units and your competitor have sold 100 units you will have a market share of 33% while your competitor has a market share of 66%. If the next week you sell 90 units and your competitor sells a 100, he still sells more than you, but your market share still grows to 41%.

Ah, so percentages are important?

Nice. And we sillies thought it was just the raw numbers!

Yeah, well seems to be a lot of people on this site who should spend more time doing their school homework and less time gaming :)

Percentages matter of course just as much or little as raw numbers or rather they only matter when looked at together. A percentage is 'meaningless' if one company sold one unit and the other two even though the percentage is high, just as much as bragging about a 200 000 unit sales lead is meaningless if the total sales of the market means that is a 0.00001 percentage lead in sales.

 

Actually, I beleive your wrong. Sony's precent will still decline. The reason is that while they are still seeling more units, so is Nintendo. My example is this:

Two consoles: A and B where A outsells B 10:1 normally. The total sold out of the entire market is 220. So, A has 89% and B has 11%.

Now, the next week the ratio was 5:2. A sold less and B sold more then the norm. By your logic, the % for B should be higher and lower for A. However, that is not the case. A sold 5 console and B sold 2 so the total is 227 now. But B's % is 10.32% (B had a total of 22 units at this point, A has the rest). Lower then the week before. After 10 weeks it will be 297 total and B would have 7.07%.

So, even though the gap is smaller, A is still outselling B so B's precent can only go down. It will stay the same is the ratio is 1:1 and got up if B is actually outselling A. Basically, the PS3 is only doing worse, just they loss less ground this week then before.

EDIT:nevermind, I messed up. Your right. Of course, profit is what matters in the end. % are only to help make money (especially in Sony's case). Despite higher market share, Sony lost money to make it happen, so who won in the end?



"catching up" because the PS3 sell more and Wii sell even more



Oh my god, didn't GameSpot do an article like this a few months ago? Or just host one or something?

Is this some new trend? Are people really that upset that the Wii is outselling the PS3 that they have to make this kind of ridiculous spin?



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Despite the fact that I love PlayStation 3 and Sony, I can't help but wonder why this reporter used the term 'catching up' when in reality, PS3 sales were only marginally better than those of the Wii for ONLY ONE WEEK. Jeez, people today are REAL optimists, lol.



PS3 outsells the X360 13 to 1.i say lol at this