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Bingoo said:
sc94597 said:
Bingoo said:
both KH and FF are both more hardcore games then anything. Its highly unlikely that casuals will just buy into it. Hell alot of the casuals dont even know about mario, they just care about playing tennis on the wii. It should belong on hardcore platforms where generally more core gamers reside.

Also both are big time in the graphics department. THats why the demand for ps3 ff 7 is because it would be fantastic to see it in some awsome graphics. The wii would be a huge letdown. It also applies to KH.

Also how would you implement the motion? Maybe in KH 3 but not FF 7.

You persume that the wii is bringing in new gamers who would be interested in these things. Which there will be a few, but highly unlikely.

Look how hardcore KH is.

OH and look how it revolves around Graffex. OMgz. It needz to be on the ps3.

 

yes and all the casual soccer moms play KH. Whats your point. KH is not casual. It has alot of characters who are well recognized so what.

The graphics are still a key part of KH. Sure they are not the best, but a HD KH would be nice.

It can belong on wii or ps3 360 or wii for all i care i have all consoles. Stop with your fanboyism its annoying i dont care what console its on.

 

How about you go take a chill pill and sit in the corner until I say it is time for you to come out =P.



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1. Xbox was fps machine, they had halo.. square had no relation to microsoft about that time...

they had their engine built for the ps2, after final fantasy x, looking at sales they made there they continue kh on the ps2

thats why i think square enix is waiting to see how final fantasy xiii sales are, if they  bomb, something actually impossible, then if you can make sure kh3 will be for the wii.

graphics: http://img.engadget.com/common/images/4104445021265322.JPG?0.013014492190665527

http://www.freewebs.com/cheksaith/KH2-11.jpg

simply beautiful if you ask me.

2. calling someone else troll isn't nice, even if wii version of kh3 would be nice, it goes against tetsuya nomura commitment to the inteview, and his preference to keep the battle system

3.  touch on kh?, it would be like the world end you with you.

4. its a menu based system, similar to kh chain of memories, that its isn't alot different from button mashing kingdom hearts game on the ps2.

http://www.eldojogamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/29039-kingdom-hearts-psp-screens-out-the-ying-yang.jpg

you roll, hit x, defend []. like in the ps2 version.

5. yes, development on the psp is more expensive, if the birth by sleep was less important why not to released it on the DS too since the development is cheaper and since its a spin off they would make more proif since its cheaper to develop in the DS?

6. is not subjective, as a follower of the series i know, their story end in kh2... they are going to be related to people but they won't appear in the series, all of them DIE simply as that.

7. thats a maybe, again birth by sleep its on the psp, and the target audience of the kingdom hearts still is in the playstation brand.

say kingdom hearts anywhere and what comes to mind it's the playstation.

 

8. no its not.. come on pixar is not able to make realistic humas like square did in the spirity within something pixar itself

said when doing "the incredibles".

 

eassy? you think i have enough time to write an eassy on a forum?

i got a calculus final on monday, but seriosly i won't waste more on this.

 



joseph21 said:

as a fan of square enix for years...they are some things i have noticed about their proyects.

square enix games ARE about graphics and sophisticated story telling... never intuitive controls..

before they used FMV to archive that.

even kh2 was on the ps2, it was one of the best looking games on the console, praised by IGN, gamespot and many sites pushing the ps2 to its limits.

their games get huge budget 30 millions+ to get most it can from the platform its developed...

kh3 on the wii right now its just wishful thinking...

even after announcing 358/2 tetsuya nomura gave some interviews... he said they won't use DS touch screen features for battle.

since he wants the kingdom hearts gameplay remain untouched and fans are familiar with it.

right now birth by sleep the important spinoff its on the PSP... and its going to be the one where they are going to announce where KH3 its going to be played.

yes 358/2 its just a roxas side story, nothing more nothing else organization 13th die in kh2 and that its, but birth by sleep its a whole sequel, its tells where it began, its root, why sora was choosen, why mickey is king, everything.

 

square still a mostly focusing on the psp, if not final fantasy dissidia would be on the DS... if they just wanted money... hell is money was a issue they would release everything on the DS.

no matter in which console kingdom hearts its released kh will be a huge million selling... square enix is not afraid of not making money.

yes companies are there to make money, but square enix use spinoff to archive the same effect.

we are talking from a company that spend 100 millions on animated movie: final fantasy movie: the spirit within, just to show they are better than pixar.

even if it was a box office failure they released advent children :)

 

 If what you said about graphics was right, FFIII, FFIV, DQIV, DQV, DQVI, and Chrono Trigger would have been remade for PSP and not DS and DQIX would be on PSP because of the better graphic capabilities. In reality Square Enix wants to go to all platforms: DS/PSP/Xbox360/PS3/Wii. The area where they were playform exclusive is over. Thieir pourpose now is to deliver quality in all platforms. Besides, Nintendo's platforms never force developers to use the stylus or remote+nunchuk motion. They are free to choose whet they see fits better

why PSP looks more sequel-like game and the DS don't? It has little to do with the success on PS2, but more because the games were on PS2. Unlike Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts games revolve around one main story. PS2 owners in the past may very well have a PSP today, so it's logic to put that game on PSP because they understand the storyline alot more. On DS, the story is different, most owners don't have a clue about Kingdom Hearts, so they have to introduce them to the franchise with a story that's more independent from the main line and let the unknown facts be explained with the booklet or the game's cutscenes.

Then this rule out the possibility of KH3 on Wii because Wii owners don't have a clue on KH main plot Now this should be one arguement about KHIII I would love to see here ^_^ ... But with FFIV, FFV and FFVI on GBA and PS1 and Chrono Trigger on DS with the same graphics and minor changes, the idea of a Wii direct port of KH 1 and 2 for Wii in order to release KH3 on the same platform is not crazy (it may be the only PS2 ports Wii fans won't get angry at ... lol). And a direct port has low cost and quick time.

Advent children may be a successful movie, but the success was more influenced by the game itself than the quality of the movie.... If they had released a movie with an original story NOT RELATED to any game, would it be as successful as Advent Children? I doubt it

So you see... SquareEnix, as any company, HAS to make money and they HAVE to secure it



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*Then this rule out the possibility of KH3 on Wii because Wii owners don't have a clue on KH main plot Now this should be one arguement about KHIII I would love to see here ^_^ ... But with FFIV, FFV and FFVI on GBA and PS1 and Chrono Trigger on DS with the same graphics and minor changes, the idea of a Wii direct port of KH 1 and 2 for Wii in order to release KH3 on the same platform is not crazy (it may be the only PS2 ports Wii fans won't get angry at ... lol). And a direct port has low cost and quick time.*

its crazy and they probably won't remade it for the wii just to make a kh3 hell they just shoot kh3,  again i am pretty sure they are going to wait how ff13 sales are.
ps3 its more suitable since ps3 fans are likely users of the ps2 and have played kh1 kh2.

advent children was mentioned, was because if they really fear about failure they would have never even think of making a second movie after the failure spirit within was.

they will made money in any platform they release their game, dissidia, crisis core are on the psp... and not in the ds considering they would sell more and more profit from a ds version... and even with the target demographics.

they will  make money don't be afraid.

 



ummm Joseph21

what I said:

Then this rule out the possibility of KH3 on Wii because Wii owners don't have a clue on KH main plot Now this should be one arguement about KHIII I would love to see here ^_^ ... But with FFIV, FFV and FFVI on GBA and PS1 and Chrono Trigger on DS with the same graphics and minor changes, the idea of a Wii direct port of KH 1 and 2 for Wii in order to release KH3 on the same platform is not crazy (it may be the only PS2 ports Wii fans won't get angry at ... lol). And a direct port has low cost and quick time.

I never said about a KH 1 and 2 remake but a direct port. They could just make it to be played with the gamecube or classic controller and the port would be a lot cheaper and quicker



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oh i am going to explain something about processors here.

the wii ps3 xbox360 are IBM powerPC based processors.

ps2 was a custom mips made by sony called emotion engine.

for square enix made kh1, kh2, port for the wii, they would have to port their whole engine, or either, using crystals chronicles engine and recreate all the game again and that won't happen

those remakes, ports for the DS... are FOR THE DS, a system with little of no effort, a company can make games fast, since the polygons count is smaller to the one of the ps2.

kh1 kh2 are huge games around 2.5 gb each, no less than 32mb like chrono and all those final fantasy were

oh about FF7 comming on the ps1, its well known square wanted CD ROMs, because n64 "cassettes" were only able to hold 32-64mb about that time.
but nintendo refused because of the load time and piratery and scrapped the use of CD ROMs.
sony took what they made with nintendo, and made the ps1, a cd rom based system that square enix happily made their game to.

ps1 was weak, but i could hold more than 12 times more data... if tetsuya nomura decides like hideo kojima made another HD game, like he is in ff13 versus, that require more than 9gb of gaming it won't come on wii or even the xbox360

and we don't know that yet.



oh you guys come on....

no matter how hard you discuss it...

ff7 was and will probably always be a sony brand.. (their user base was sony's and most are still waiting for a remake on a sony system, or hoping)

kh has no brand attached to it (oh no wait, kh wouldn't exist without brands...) ... that's like modern day slut's ... whatever makes the most profit... they'll go for it, although the games were good... they did not come close to the old classics...!!!

And this is coming from a squaresoft admirer



joseph21 said:

oh i am going to explain something about processors here.

the wii ps3 xbox360 are IBM powerPC based processors.

ps2 was a custom mips made by sony called emotion engine.

for square enix made kh1, kh2, port for the wii, they would have to port their whole engine, or either, using crystals chronicles engine and recreate all the game again and that won't happen

oh about FF7 comming on the ps1, its well known square wanted CD ROMs, because n64 "cassettes" were only able to hold 32-64mb about that time.
but nintendo refused because of the load time and piratery and scrapped the use of CD ROMs.
sony took what they made with nintendo, and made the ps1, a cd rom based system that square enix happily made their game to.

ps1 was weak, but i could hold more than 12 times more data... if tetsuya nomura decides like hideo kojima made another HD game, like he is in ff13 versus, that require more than 9gb of gaming it won't come on wii or even the xbox360

and we don't know that yet.

 

and by the way... Square did chose to to make a game on a format that was able to contain more mb's... sorry if any of you thinks otherwise but that was the reason for chosing playstation!!!



Bingoo said:
Torillian said:
I don't understand why bringing in people who have never played RPG's before needs to be done with a known franchise. It needs to be a very good game no doubt, but a known franchise would be unnecessary to bring in new people imo.

 

this is the key. right here

 

You are bang on the money there bingoo, that is definitely the key, what company wouldn't want to be bringing in new players to play and come to love their premier series????

 

although i agree FFVII won't be coming to wii, I'm expecting a few others to make there way over



I completly disagree kingdom hearts 3 will be on the ps3 and I will laugh in the face of all those nintendo fanboys.