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Retrasado on 30 June 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
luinil said:
Million said:

Esmorit : My main concern with the acceptance of homosexuality is the influence that it'll have on the upcoming generations , the youger more easily influenced minds. we also have no idea what kinda effect this  will have on us.

 

Actually we do have an idea effect it will have if we look at history. Soddom, Gomorah, Greece, and Rome to name a few.

 

IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL:

Ezekiel asks G-d why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah, and G-d says to Ezekiel: "Their sin was selfishness.  They were greedy and gave nothing to the poor."

 

Did somebody tell you it was because they had the gay?  Somebody lied to you and was cherrypicking from the Bible to get you to use religion to believe their agenda.

I'm afraid you;ve been misinformed.

Genesis 19:5

And they called unto Lot, and they said unto him: Where are the men who are in your house tonight? bring them out to us, that we may know them.

It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what that means...



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psrock on 30 June 2008

I just dont remember that day in my life when i wonder should i be straight or gay, i was always attracted to girls and i never choose that , those feelings came by themselves. Why is it so hard to see when all you been there.



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luinil on 30 June 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:

 

IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL:

Ezekiel asks G-d why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah, and G-d says to Ezekiel: "Their sin was selfishness.  They were greedy and gave nothing to the poor."

 

Did somebody tell you it was because they had the gay?  Somebody lied to you and was cherrypicking from the Bible to get you to use religion to believe their agenda.

 

I was trying to leave this thread... but you brought up the Bible, so I will respond. What was the selfishness God speaks of? Could it be SEXUAL selfishness? Could it be that? Could it be that the greed was the orgies they engaged in regularly? Could is be that the reason they never gave was because they only cared about their next sexual romp? No? Hrmm... Look at this a rather crude, funny, yet over-the-top explanation from a secular source. THIS. (EDIT: NSFW)



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DMeisterJ on 30 June 2008
psrock said:
DMeisterJ said:
I don't have a problem with gay people. I've had a few friends in High School that were gay and I didn't even know that they were. And they were some good friends to me over those four years. So that's not a problem. I do have a problem with flamboyantly gay people. Guys who wear lip gloss, or are loud, pop their gum, smack their lips, etc. I also don't like gay girls. Nothing about girl-on-girl action remotely turns me on... It's simply disgusting to me. That being said, I have no problem with gay girls either. As long as they're not too "dike-y".

The problem is that it's taboo to be gay, so people tend to hide it (especially in the black community), I remember making fun of gay people all the time when I was younger, so people hide it, and have gay sex with other guys, don't protect themselves, then pass on HIV/AIDS to their female partners. I think if people were more open and accepting of gayness, HIV/AIDS numbers would drastically reduce.

I compute sexual preference to a choice. Much like when you go to a restaurant and order a drink. Do you want lemonade or coke? I don't get mad when people don't choose lemonade (my fav. drink), so why should you hate on people who don't share your sexual preference. And generally, when I'm talking to my friends and whatnot, we're not sharing sexual exploits, or anything like that (not that I've done anything >_>). It's everyone's choice to be what sexual preference they like, and it's their decision to like or not like the same sex, and it's none of my business. If I'm friends with someone that's gay, but they're still there for me, and are cool to hang around with, I don't see a problem with it.

I'm not too sure what that had to do with the OP, but that's my $0.02.

Let me try again?

So you are saying that you capable of being attracted to a man,  if you choose to?

For the amount of abuse gay people have gone through in the balck commmunity, the horrorfying threatment they are receiving in islamic countries and all the songs written about them deserving to die, I frankly dont see why it would a choice at all, unless they are suicidal.

I believe that being gay can be a choice.  I'm sure that there are factors of your life that are uncontrollable but largely is able to be governed by yourself.  Again with the food analogy.  I used to hate Ketchup, because I never had it as a kid, but once I forced myself to try it once, I loved it, and until this day I do.  I do believe that sexuality is the same way.  You may grow up and prodominately like females, but then decide that you feel more comfortable in the presence of a man, or vice versa. 

I know that lots of black people get tons of shit for being gay, and I think it's just that maybe people are tired of living in fear, and want to live their lives how they see fit.  I'm sure that no one chooses to endure ridicule or hatred, but people aren't going to not be happy so that they can live a normal life.  At least that's not how I would ever live.  My happiness would always come first.

 



cdude1034 on 30 June 2008

Strategyking92 said:
cdude1034 said:
Strategyking92 said:
I detest the "gay" term in general; anything associated to it, but I consider people, people.

Also: I view it as plain unnatural.

 

How is it unnatural? Is exists in nature...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15750604/

 

 humans are more intelligent, and are supposed to evolve. You can't evolve if someone in your ancestry with a special gene chooses to be gay and you are not born (with that cancer preventing)

So again: it isn't natural.

nat·u·ral   <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/N00/N0040200" target="_blank"><img src="http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" /></a>  Audio Help   [nach-er-uhl, nach-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective

1. existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial): a natural bridge.
2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.

 

What other definition of natural do you want? It exists in nature, in things outside of human control. All animals evolve, not just humans. Yes we can be considered "more intelligent", but that doesn't make us more "morally correct". As a matter of fact, morals themselves are a human invention...



 

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ZenfoldorVGI on 30 June 2008
Million said:

Well homosexuality is becoming increasingly accepted , where people were once afraid/too ashamed to admit anything other than hetrosexualness it's now more common to see these kinds of things.


My question is how will this ultimatley affect us , how much will it do so , will it at all ? And how do you feel about it ?.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as isn't offensive.

My opinion is very offensive, and therefore I'm not entitled too it.

That said, homosexuality won't affect me at all. I live in Mississippi.



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DMeisterJ on 30 June 2008
psrock said:
I just dont remember that day in my life when i wonder should i be straight or gay, i was always attracted to girls and i never choose that , those feelings came by themselves. Why is it so hard to see when all you been there.

I don't think that you, or me, or most people didn't have to go through that.  We are decisive people, and from the start, have liked the opposite sex.  But some people may be indecisive, and may not know what they like more.



Retrasado on 30 June 2008
psrock said:
Retrasado said:
Kasz216 said:
Retrasado said:
Kasz216 said:
Retrasado said:
Kasz216 said:
Retrasado said:

has it ever been conclusively proven that people can be born gay? I mean it defies logic to me because such individuals would be unable to reproduce and any "gay gene" would be eliminated from the genome fairly quickly imo.

If the answer to above question is "yes, there is a gay gene." I don't really care, but regardless, I will physically harm any guy who starts hitting on me. *shudder*

If the answer is "no, there is not a gay gene." I will avoid them. If they start hitting on me, well, prepare for Judgment Day....

Animals are born gay.... people are animals... so yeah. I'd say it's been conclusively proven. Genes are pretty complicated by the way... so it's more complicated then you'd think. After all redheads are still going strong. It's likely a combination of many genes as sexuality goes across a large range of prefrence and just recessive genes.

There isn't an animal in nature that's 100% straight that i'm aware of.

Penguin's I believe are the most gay.

no, that's not what I meant. I meant show me a reputable scientific research project that conslusively proved that being gay is a genetic issue. I personally have yet to see one and as such I doubt the proposition's accuracy for the aforementioned reasons of natural selection.

 

How about a study that shows the brains of gay men are different then straight men?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html?cnn=yes

There have also been many twin studies where peolple who have a twin were MUCH more likely to be gay. Either Fraternal or Twin. Of course it's not 100% considering the attitude people have about gay people.

 

 

That doesn't prove anything. The statement being made is that being gay is a genetic variation and I have yet to see any research on the subject of a gay gene. A paper or two documenting reseach into the human genome and pinpointing a genetic variation in gay people that causes them to be gay is what I would like to see. Until I see said paper, I remain unconvinced and the inability of anyone, anywhere, to show me that paper is starting to convince me that there is not a gay gene at all and gay people are just weirdos. I do however remain open to the possibility that they are not just being weirdos if someone can show me a scientific study that identified and verified the presence of a gene(s) that "make" someone gay.

 

Wow, that's a ridiculious precedent.  It's a good thing the scientific community doesn't have the same precedent.

For one... sexual prefrence is way more complicated then just one gene.

Secodly there have been lots of studiest that show a lot of similar genetic markers in gay people though.

You can  disagree but you're being a bit intellectuially dishonest if you actually look at the research.  It's like saying you don't belive in the elments that are purely theoretical because we haven't created them in a lab setting yet despite fitting the formula. (Or had we finally created them all....?)

hold on a minute. Everyone keeps saying that people are gay because they have no choice and the only way that would be the case is if they were genetically forced to be. If people want to be gay, well, I personally think that's weird and all, but you do what you like. (but please, not where I can see it)

My problem is this: A lot of people keep saying that being gay is not a choice, but no one can show me any evidence to the contrary. Thus I am forced to conclude that being gay is a choice.

Also, tests that show similar genetic markers between gay people do not prove/help anything. I could pick any random group of people and find loads of similar genetic markers because well over 99% of DNA is the same in every human.

If being gay is truely not a choice, than there HAS to be a consistant genetic variation in gay people as opposed to "normal" people . (Much in the way there is a consistant genetic variation in people with down's syndrome, sickle-cell anemia, hemophilia, etc.) I realize it would take more than one gene to make the difference, but if being gay is a genetic issue, (ie. not a choice by an individual) there would be a detectable genetic variation.

 

did you choose to be straight or you just are?

 

The Ghost of RubangB said:

My problem is this: A lot of people keep saying that being gay is a choice, but no one can show me any evidence. Thus I am forced to conclude that being gay is not a choice.

Since you both said basically the same thing, I'll respond to both:

being "straight" enables me to reproduce and thus to carry on my species. Being gay means I cannot and thus I have no useful function for the propagation of my species.

It's been an enlightening night gentlemen. As I have been unable to convince you of my opinion, and you have been likewise unsuccessful, I suppose it is pointless to continue the discussion. que sera sera

 



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psrock on 30 June 2008
DMeisterJ said:
psrock said:
I just dont remember that day in my life when i wonder should i be straight or gay, i was always attracted to girls and i never choose that , those feelings came by themselves. Why is it so hard to see when all you been there.

I don't think that you, or me, or most people didn't have to go through that.  We are decisive people, and from the start, have liked the opposite sex.  But some people may be indecisive, and may not know what they like more.

 

when did you choose to be straight?

 

do you choose to be attracted to a girl or it's in you to begin with? When i see a big ass girl passing by, i dont choose to look, i look because i feel it, it's in me. The same way i dont look at guys that way, its not because i choose not to, its because i'm not attrated to guys, its simple as that.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 30 June 2008
Retrasado said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
luinil said:
Million said:

Esmorit : My main concern with the acceptance of homosexuality is the influence that it'll have on the upcoming generations , the youger more easily influenced minds. we also have no idea what kinda effect this  will have on us.

 

Actually we do have an idea effect it will have if we look at history. Soddom, Gomorah, Greece, and Rome to name a few.

 

IN THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL:

Ezekiel asks G-d why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah, and G-d says to Ezekiel: "Their sin was selfishness.  They were greedy and gave nothing to the poor."

 

Did somebody tell you it was because they had the gay?  Somebody lied to you and was cherrypicking from the Bible to get you to use religion to believe their agenda.

I'm afraid you;ve been misinformed.

Genesis 19:5

And they called unto Lot, and they said unto him: Where are the men who are in your house tonight? bring them out to us, that we may know them.

It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out what that means...

You're gonna trust your imagination over the direct word of G-d in a later passage?

 

luinil said:

 

I was trying to leave this thread... but you brought up the Bible, so I will respond. What was the selfishness God speaks of? Could it be SEXUAL selfishness? Could it be that? Could it be that the greed was the orgies they engaged in regularly? Could is be that the reason they never gave was because they only cared about their next sexual romp? No? Hrmm... Look at this a rather crude, funny, yet over-the-top explanation from a secular source. THIS. (EDIT: NSFW)

Then you're saying it was about rape and orgies and infidelity, but not about homosexuality.

(That video is AWESOME.)

 

DMeisterJ said:

Again with the food analogy.  I used to hate Ketchup, because I never had it as a kid, but once I forced myself to try it once, I loved it, and until this day I do.  I do believe that sexuality is the same way.  You may grow up and prodominately like females, but then decide that you feel more comfortable in the presence of a man, or vice versa.

 

Tastes and sexuality are nothing alike.  Read my post earlier about the expansion of your tongue as you grow.

 



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