bardicverse said: okr said: @bradicverse: What should I refute? Did we have a discussion before you posted your long expertise? Black music to me is Soul, Blues, R&B, Jazz, Funk, Hip-Hop (NA) Afro-Brazilian, Reggae (SA, Jamaica) and many more. I know that "whites, blacks, creoles all joined", but I will aways and ever label all these musical art forms overall as black music because all of them wouldn't have been developed without black people. That's all. Sly Stone loved white drummers, but Sylvester wrote the songs and gave them his soul. No, we hadn't. but it was pre-emptive to avoid a 20 post convo between us ;) As by how you label music then, Rock would also be regarded highly as dependent on the black musical community too. Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Chubby Checkers to name a few. Without these, even bands like the Beatles might not have come about. Hell, Living Colour, need I say more? You can even take the bread and butter of modern european music - club/techno, and give thanks to the legendary black american musician Herbie Hancock for pushing electronic music in the early 80s in new directions. For reference, I point you to Rock It by Herbie Hancock. Music is one of those things that you can't seperate race. When you have bands like Korn, which are mostly black, and then rappers like Eminem, the racial lines get blurred. Of course, that is a good thing, and we could only hope there would be more racial blurring in the world.

Yes, I know that Rock'n'Roll wouldn't be the same without the influence of black musicians. You don't have to preach to the converted, preach to people like the guys in this thread who claim that some British bands founded some years ago are the best eva. (I gave up convincing people of my music taste or opinion on music in general long ago. Unfortunately others still want to convince me of THEIR taste. "You have to buy the new Feist album". No, I don't. I buy Aimee Mann's new album instead). 

BTW: Don't forget Little Richard. The crazy guy won't like the fact that you named Jimi, Chuck and Chubby instead.

And Chuck Berry is Keith Richard's hero: http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/chuckberry/articles/story/5928768/keith_richards

In my opinion black music in general was the most influential art form of 20th century (not a good sentence, I know, but the best way I can express it).

Thanks for reminding me of Living Colour. I'm listening to their (imo) best album "Time's Up" right now.

I <3 <3 <3 ARCADE FIRE!!! I saw them at reading too!!! Absolutely amazing. They released Neon Bible in march of 2007. I still listen to it at least once a week. I listen to Funeral basically everyday. 

Funeral = Best album ever. 

Arcade Fire = Best band ever.

 I think what you meant to say was:

London Calling = Best album ever.

The Clash = Best band ever.

I think it must be pretty sad to be able to definitively state what the best band is or what the best album is. I know for me my collection looks different every time I look at it. Sometimes I want to go back and listen to all my Def Leppard cds over again; but other times they make me want to puke and I'm more likely to grab a little Mercury Rev. Sometimes I just want to hear George Winston play Linus and Lucy.

My point is that music is so personal and subjective and really depends where you are in life and where you are that day, that moment.

So to be able to definitively say what your favorite band or album is would be to say that you have become stagnant and refuse to grow...sad.

Hell yea, Vernon Reid is the man! And apologies to Little Richard =)

Yeah, like I said, I appreciate that music is the one form since the late 1800s where racial boundaries were ignored.

Besides, now we have high quality music like 50 Cent! (Ok, I couldn't say it with a straight face either)

I don't know if you're into anything really hard, but if you are check out Soulfly. Its Brazilian influenced tribal metal.

As well as Oasis, The Servant were a quality UK band. Check out 'cells'

A truly great Musical Heritage, wouldn't mind knowing how good music is in other countries though, I know Finland loves Rock and Metal.

This thread is great. I personally LOVE british music, from Beatles to Clash to Blur to Oasis to Radiohead to Muse. Seriously, that's why I would love to live on the UK.

On a related note, I'm gonna see Muse on 16 july YAY! I can't wait. I'm sure it's gonna be the best gig I've ever been at.

This is so true.  I can't tell you how many times I'm dying to listen to some band one day, and then think I'm going to die if I hear another verse from them the next.  I can easily say what my favorite song at this current moment is, but asking me to figure out which song or album or band is my favorite ever is really impossible.

Oh, and as for the NA vs. UK thing, I think this song says it all: