WTF? How can you compare the 2? Fans of Sanbox gaes will vote GTA4 and fans of Stealth will vote MGS4. This is chalk and cheese.

This thread gets 0.5.

They are extremely different games. GTA4 however is more decieving in delivering what it promises, an "Oscar worthy" storyline consisting of unique and developed characters. In this respect MGS4 is obviously lightyears ahead of GTA4. MGS4 on the otherhand still fails to deliver the amount of gameplay it promised though still marks a large step ahead for the franchise.

Overall though there's a lot more vision, creative talent, research and effort put into MGS games than into GTA. That may not in itself make for a better "game" but it does raise its intangible value greatly in my mind at least.

GTA4 if anything is more of a step back in terms of gameplay returning to levels established by GTA3 and descending from the depth of gameplay realized in SA.

So eventhough they are very different games, MGS4 deserves far more respect simply for what it sets out to achieve and for the lengths Kojima and team will go to realize its vision.

 I agree with him, MGO is very fun once you get into it. GTA IV's online was average, games lose people left and right and matchs are always small unless you play in prime time hours. Not to mention MGO is no where close to complete.

 just my opinion. i give your gimmick a 3.

 Riiiiiiight...

I'm just gonna crawl into my corner and enjoy my 10.

GTA4 is better. MGS4 is mostly for the cutscenes and storyline. GTA offers a more diverse experience

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^agee with above. it not only lived upto the hype, but over shot it like no other game has ever done.

• greatest visuals
• greatest sound
• thunderous real time cut scenes
• tons and tons of replayability
• has a unique online mode, that will be mega updated later on
• lol i went on last nite, and it had some tunes to download to your ipod player, as well as new suits, which there should be more and more of. it was a digital red plz bring out more. will have tons of extras availiable
• bluray is crammed with quality additions from the grafix design to audio
• better than anything on any other platform
• makes you laugh on how ppl try to pick at it, ie eurotoilet(eurogamer) gives this power house of a game an 8/10 but gives extremly feeble titles on other platforms(ms) like ms. pac man and earth defence force 2049 8/10 and 9/10 respectivly.

MGS4 > GTA IV. GTA IV is overrated.

I don't know about all this MGS4 graphics talk... Personally, I'm far more impressed with GTA IV. The amount of crap going on at any given moment in that game is staggering. The most impressive was driving through Algonquin at an obnoxious rate of speed through fog. I couldn't believe it was happening and I was floored by it.

Sure, GTA has a fair share of graphical bugs but given the scope of the game, I have a hard time faulting it when compared to a linear, cutscene-heavy experience like MGS4 (which looks great in its own right).