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rockstarjerry981 said:
No, they are just unable to rate "casual games." As Lingyis already stated, reviewers are hard core gamers, and review casual games with the wrong set of criteria. In reality, it isn't the reviewer who can't review casual games accurately, it is the criteria that he/she is using that is to blame.

 Actually, I said this in the original post. But yeah, it does need to be restated. 



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This is why we need a games IMDB.
Unfortunately, it seems VGChartz won't be the one either.



Reality has a Nintendo bias.

Another example of a reviewer admitting to difficulties reviewing DS/Wii games would be Penny Arcade. From the front page of their site on May 25th:

"We're not really set up to discuss titles like Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, or Carnival. That is not meant to impugn these titles in any way, because they're uniformly well made. I must admit to being taken aback by Carnival, whose manifestation of pure, country fair fun was a billion times more authentic than it needed to be. And Big Brain on the Wii utilizes some forward thinking online capability - the way you could race a friend's ghost in a multiplayer racing game, you can race a simulation of their brain in a series of puzzles. But in the same way we do not review most games for children, and most enthusiast sites don't, these "training" games represent a shard of the growing, fabulously lucrative "adult" space that has no resonance with me and probably most of the people they showed these games to."

 



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I agree that reviewers aren't equipped to match the tastes of the market as a whole, but I think they do a good job of matching their readers' tastes.

First off, it's clear that they do a good job with traditional games. The score of Resistance is pretty much right on, and the divergence is about what we'd expect given the tendency of some people to vote zeros on great games. The complaint to be made here isn't that they prefer Resistance to Wii Sports, but rather that they just don't like Wii Sports.

Secondly, I think everything makes sense if we understand Wii Sports as a 'niche' game. It's not that it's really such a game, but that, among people likely to be on Gamespot, it's only going to really resonate with a few. I can't imagine its real target audience voting for it on websites. Look at the scores of other niche games - being a Mega Man fan, I looked at Gamespot's X8 review. There's almost a two point difference between reviewer and user scores.

While I'm inclined to agree to some extent, I don't think we can ignore the self-selection bias of relying on people who read a game's reviews to rate the game. You're going to either get people who are interested in the game or who really hate the game. For games that only appeal to a small section of a website's readers, 'people interested in a game' are also people that are far more likely to enjoy the game. I can't imagine that many people who don't like Mega Man read Gamespot's Mega Man X8 review.

That said, everyone knows about Wii Sports, and it is surprising that we see that divergence for this game in particular. However, I'm unconvinced that the site's readers' opinions are really reflected in the user scores.



I say they give them to good a score, they never get punished for the graphics being less then the competition.



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GotchayeX said:
I agree that reviewers aren't equipped to match the tastes of the market as a whole, but I think they do a good job of matching their readers' tastes.

First off, it's clear that they do a good job with traditional games. The score of Resistance is pretty much right on, and the divergence is about what we'd expect given the tendency of some people to vote zeros on great games. The complaint to be made here isn't that they prefer Resistance to Wii Sports, but rather that they just don't like Wii Sports.

Secondly, I think everything makes sense if we understand Wii Sports as a 'niche' game. It's not that it's really such a game, but that, among people likely to be on Gamespot, it's only going to really resonate with a few. I can't imagine its real target audience voting for it on websites. Look at the scores of other niche games - being a Mega Man fan, I looked at Gamespot's X8 review. There's almost a two point difference between reviewer and user scores.

While I'm inclined to agree to some extent, I don't think we can ignore the self-selection bias of relying on people who read a game's reviews to rate the game. You're going to either get people who are interested in the game or who really hate the game. For games that only appeal to a small section of a website's readers, 'people interested in a game' are also people that are far more likely to enjoy the game. I can't imagine that many people who don't like Mega Man read Gamespot's Mega Man X8 review.

That said, everyone knows about Wii Sports, and it is surprising that we see that divergence for this game in particular. However, I'm unconvinced that the site's readers' opinions are really reflected in the user scores.

One must respond, however, with the fact that Wii Sports isn't a niche game; it's sold more copies in Japan alone (where it is not bundled in) than Resistance has in the entire world. If anything, it's Resistance that is the niche game, not Wii Sports.

Otherwise, I think you make a very strong point. Reviewers aren't supposed to give reviews based on what everyone thinks: they're supposed to give reviews based on the preferences of people who actually take the time to read gaming reviews, and for the most part that will be more hardcore gamers. However, I would point out one thing -- if your argument absolutely resolved the issue, then the scores Wii games got would not be distinct from the professional criticisms in the user section either: logically, people taking the time to write user reviews are also often taking time to read professional ones. And of those that took the time to write a user review, Wii Sports got a substantially higher score than the given professional one. I'm not saying this invalidates your point: I'm only pointing this out to show that your point doesn't solve the whole problem.

I'm going to point this out one more time for emphasis: the only game on 360/PS3/Wii that has recieved a higher user rating on metacritic than Wii Sports is "The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess." That says a lot. 



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Celb said:
I say they give them to good a score, they never get punished for the graphics being less then the competition.

Actually, yes, they do get punished for lesser graphics. Please read the reviews on metacritic: the simplistic graphics are cited as an important detractor for Wii Play, Wii Sports and, with the recent review submitted by IGN, for Big Brain as well. Simply read the reviews. It's right there.



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thats because wii sports has blatantly bad graphics. those graphics are appalling to me and im cool with old stuff. its gotta have the polish. dont care whether its all about style or being minimal, its gotta have the right polish. does a game like okami have bad graphics? actually it sorta does, but i consider it the most beautiful game i have played (yes above gears) because it has the right graphics.



my pillars of gaming: kh, naughty dog, insomniac, ssb, gow, ff

i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

Great, we've got two devils on the forums now.



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Bet with disolitude: Left4Dead will have a higher Metacritic rating than Project Origin, 3 months after the second game's release.  (hasn't been 3 months but it looks like I won :-p )

Reviewers are always full of crap. I could list 10 reasons why you SHOULDN'T play ANY game, on ANY system, but thats not my stupid internet job.

Here's the real conclusion though: It doesn't matter what review scores Wii games get, they will sell. And they will sell alot.