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starcraft said:
ils411 said:
@starcraft
you seem pretty desparate by trying to determine how much sony paid for exclusivity.

you must want this game on x360 really bad.

If you'd read the thread properly you'd find I personally have no interest in MGS/SplinterCell type stealth games.  But I do have an interest in their sales. 

I think the game will come to the Xbox 360 eventually in some form, whether I want it too or not.

But yes, I'd like to know how much this game was worth in Sony's eyes. 

 


i dont believe that one bit. i bet your as courious as hell about this game. even if its not your cup of tea, its hype alone probably has you squirming in your seat to find out what all the hype is abot.

and yes, it will probably be released in some form pm tje x360. it will be called, the mgs4 collection coz of all the dvds it would need :P

OT: i can tell you this, this game, for sony is worth more than dmc4, so4 and gta4 exclusivity combined. seeing as they were able to keep mgs4 exclusive while they let the other three be ehither multi plat or x360 exlusive.   



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LongLiveTheBeatles said:
 

But if Hideo decided to jump through hoops in order to please a userbase less interested in the game, would it still be a good investment? With porting costs, several discs and poorer sound quality, it obviously becomes less profitable which makes me wonder if it would be a good investment to begin with. Hideo wouldn't allow it and you have to keep in mind he is a perfectionist. I wouldn't want and he wouldn't want to sacrifice audio quality therefore the game would still be on 8 discs. After all, this generation is all about hi-def and if developers are lowering their standards to meet system requirements then it almost defeats the purpose of creating more powerful hardware. As for languages on the same discs, I leave you with this quote, "Unfortunately because of disc space, we don’t have the space to include other languages, other voice over files for the respective versions. So the Japanese version’s not gonna have English voiceover, and the North American and European versions won’t have Japanese voiceover." - Hideo Kojima

I believe your quote is from prior to the double-sided disk announcement.

As for what Kojima would allow?  Irrelevant, its Konami executives that make those decisions, just check out the Orange Box port to PS3 to know how these things work.

With the rest of your post you completely missed the point of this thread.  Based on market forces alone, it would have netted Konami far more profit to simultaneously release MGS4 on the 360 as well.  Its not about whether Konami will NOW undergo the relatively meanial task of porting it, its about how much Sony paid to stop that simultaneous release.

Any guesses? 

 



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ils411 said:
starcraft said:
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
 

You're speaking as if there is no reasonable doubt. Not only is there no reasonable doubt, but nothing but the fact that it's not on the 360 would make one propose such a thing. Almost every Metal Gear game has been exclusive to Sony, and I actually believe that it would be technically impossible on the 360 simply due to the use of Blu-Ray.

P.S. They did compress everything as much as possible. There is never an occasion with any developer where you don't.

What would you consider to be reasonable doubt? 

There isn't chance in hell the game is technically impossible on the 360 due to Blu-Ray.  In many instances Sony hasn't used compression for PR purposes (Heavenly Sword audio, Motorstorm) and with this game that is certainly the case.  The perfectly timed "oh no we need a double sided disk Sony" combined with little in-game blu-ray jokes?  Previous metal gear games were exclusive for a reason.  That reason was userbase, and the PS3 doesn't have it.

A quick listing of reasons why a 360 version of MGS4 would take no more than 3 DVD's (but I suspect 2):

- Linear game = easiest for disk-swapping.

- Compress audio and remove 7.1 support.

- Different languages on different disks.

- Remove the multi-layers of the same data we know almost every dev uses to compensate for the Blu-Ray drives low read speed (the space savings here could be massive.  Half the reason the PS3 "needs" the Blu-Ray capacity is because the read speed is so slow) 

 


1 reason why it would take a x360 mgs4 version more than 5 dvd9s.

over 90 min of high def cinematic cut scenes. hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

 


 Sorry but they are using the game engine for the cutscenes (Unless they love to lie)



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ils411 said:
 

i dont believe that one bit. i bet your as courious as hell about this game. even if its not your cup of tea, its hype alone probably has you squirming in your seat to find out what all the hype is abot.

and yes, it will probably be released in some form pm tje x360. it will be called, the mgs4 collection coz of all the dvds it would need :P

OT: i can tell you this, this game, for sony is worth more than dmc4, so4 and gta4 exclusivity combined. seeing as they were able to keep mgs4 exclusive while they let the other three be ehither multi plat or x360 exlusive.

Believe what you like.  I'll eventually buy a PS3 for Versus, and even though it will be dirt cheap by then, I still wont be picking up MGS4.

As for your last comment, its interesting you said its worth more than exclusivity on three games Sony has ALREADY lost exclusivity on.  In the case of Star Ocean 4, the PS3 may not see the title period.  

Seriously, putting MGS4 anywhere near the ballpark of GTAIV in importance is ridiculous. 

 



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Rock_on_2008 said:
ils411 said:
@starcraft

you seem pretty desparate by trying to determine how much sony paid for exclusivity.

you must want this game on x360 really bad.




If Starcraft wants MGS 4 so badly. He should just buy a 40GB PS3 with MGS 4 bundle. It is cheap around $750 Au. $500 US.

BTW: The best two games of the generation are out soon on the PS3: FF XIII and GT 5.


well, a port is way way way way cheaper than having to buy another console just to play a single game. isnt gt5 and ffxiii coming out 2009? i wouldnt call that soon. but damn, i'm just so excited to get my hands on those 2 games. best rpg and racing game this generation for sure.

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starcraft said:

- Half the reason the PS3 "needs" the Blu-Ray capacity is because the read speed is so slow

 


Whoa now... wait a minute.  If I have a slow hard drive, I just have to make it bigger and I should be able to transfer more stuff off it quicker, right?  I mean, according to that logic, the more disc space you have, the faster it transfers data... right?  I could just duplicate some information on different platters, and voila!  Ultra mega fast transfer speeds!

 The only reason data is duplicated is because of SEEK times, NOT transfer speed.  In case you didn't know what Seek time is, it's the time it takes the laser to get to the data requested.  On Blu-Ray, since it's more compact, it could theoretically have a faster seek time as the laser doesn't have to travel as far to find the data.  On the flip side of this, it's rotational speed is slower, but again, more compact data means it doesn't have to spin as fast to buffer that data.

On average, the PS3 BDROM and the 12X 360 DVD are about the same speed.  The 360 has it by a hair on average, and they have to use the stuffing techniques to put large data on the outside tracks to speed up reads.  The only reason you'd have duplicate data on the BD is to avoid seeking as much as possible.  If you have the space, use it.

I'd argue that taking out this redundancy in BD only to cram it onto a DVD would actually make the load times on the 360 incredibly long since you can't "cheat" the drive and would have to constantly seek for data that is normally duplicated.

Next time think before you regurgitate crap.



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Andir said:
starcraft said:

- Half the reason the PS3 "needs" the Blu-Ray capacity is because the read speed is so slow

 

Whoa now... wait a minute. If I have a slow hard drive, I just have to make it bigger and I should be able to transfer more stuff off it quicker, right? I mean, according to that logic, the more disc space you have, the faster it transfers data... right? I could just duplicate some information on different platters, and voila! Ultra maga fast transfer speeds!

The only reason data is duplicated is because of SEEK times, NOT transfer speed. In case you didn't know what Seek time is, it's the time it takes the laser to get to the data requested. On Blu-Ray, since it's more compact, it could theoretically have a faster seek time as the laser doesn't have to travel as far to find the data. On the flip side of this, it's rotational speed is slower, but again, more compact data means it doesn't have to spin as fast to buffer that data.

On average, the PS3 BDROM and the 12X 360 DVD are about the same speed. The 360 has it by a hair on average, and they have to use the stuffing techniques to out large data on the outside tracks to speed up reads. The only reason you'd have duplicate data on the BD is to avoid seeking as much as possible. If you have the space, use it.

I'd argue that taking out this redundancy in BD only to cram it onto a DVD would actually make the load times on the 360 incredibly long since you can't "cheat" the drive and would have to constantly seek for data that is normally duplicated.

Next time think before you regurgitate crap.

I disagree with much of what you've said here, particularly you ignoring the fact that the PS3's data seek times (and yes, they are seek times I acknowledge I misspoke, though its transfer speed IS slower from memory?) only come close to DVD9's when certain packets of data are being used.  "Average" is a very misleading concept to adopt in this case.

Nonetheless, there are numerous threads open about Blu-Ray disk read and seek times, please use one of them if you wish to argue the toss, as this thread is about Sony paying for MGS4. 

 



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starcraft said:
Andir said:
starcraft said:

- Half the reason the PS3 "needs" the Blu-Ray capacity is because the read speed is so slow

 

Whoa now... wait a minute. If I have a slow hard drive, I just have to make it bigger and I should be able to transfer more stuff off it quicker, right? I mean, according to that logic, the more disc space you have, the faster it transfers data... right? I could just duplicate some information on different platters, and voila! Ultra maga fast transfer speeds!

The only reason data is duplicated is because of SEEK times, NOT transfer speed. In case you didn't know what Seek time is, it's the time it takes the laser to get to the data requested. On Blu-Ray, since it's more compact, it could theoretically have a faster seek time as the laser doesn't have to travel as far to find the data. On the flip side of this, it's rotational speed is slower, but again, more compact data means it doesn't have to spin as fast to buffer that data.

On average, the PS3 BDROM and the 12X 360 DVD are about the same speed. The 360 has it by a hair on average, and they have to use the stuffing techniques to out large data on the outside tracks to speed up reads. The only reason you'd have duplicate data on the BD is to avoid seeking as much as possible. If you have the space, use it.

I'd argue that taking out this redundancy in BD only to cram it onto a DVD would actually make the load times on the 360 incredibly long since you can't "cheat" the drive and would have to constantly seek for data that is normally duplicated.

Next time think before you regurgitate crap.

I disagree with much of what you've said here, particularly you ignoring the fact that the PS3's data seek times (and yes, they are seek times I acknowledge I misspoke, though its transfer speed IS slower from memory?) only come close to DVD9's when certain packets of data are being used.  "Average" is a very misleading concept to adopt in this case.

Nonetheless, there are numerous threads open about Blu-Ray disk read and seek times, please use one of them if you wish to argue the toss, as this thread is about Sony paying for MGS4. 

 


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starcraft said:
 

Nonetheless, there are numerous threads open about Blu-Ray disk read and seek times, please use one of them if you wish to argue the toss, as this thread is about Sony paying for MGS4. 

 

Yet you keep spouting false hardware related propaganda?  Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

 



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starcraft said:
ils411 said:
 

i dont believe that one bit. i bet your as courious as hell about this game. even if its not your cup of tea, its hype alone probably has you squirming in your seat to find out what all the hype is abot.

and yes, it will probably be released in some form pm tje x360. it will be called, the mgs4 collection coz of all the dvds it would need :P

OT: i can tell you this, this game, for sony is worth more than dmc4, so4 and gta4 exclusivity combined. seeing as they were able to keep mgs4 exclusive while they let the other three be ehither multi plat or x360 exlusive.

Believe what you like.  I'll eventually buy a PS3 for Versus, and even though it will be dirt cheap by then, I still wont be picking up MGS4.

As for your last comment, its interesting you said its worth more than exclusivity on three games Sony has ALREADY lost exclusivity on.  In the case of Star Ocean 4, the PS3 may not see the title period.  

Seriously, putting MGS4 anywhere near the ballpark of GTAIV in importance is ridiculous. 

 


thats the point, they allowed dmc4 to be multiplat, they allowed gta4 to go multiplat day one and not get time exclusivity, and they allowed so4 to go x360 exclusive (apparently). which is why i said that i think that to sony, mgs4 is more important to them than retaining exlusivity for dmc4, geting time exclusivity for gta4, and keeping so4 on the ps3. 

if sony valued the three more then they would have done something to keep dmc4 exclusive, they would have done something to get gta4 time exclusive and they would have done something to keep so4. but they didnt for these games. but they did keep mgs4 as ps3 exclusive. 

wether or not this is the right choice for sony is yet to be seen. well know by next week.