If God is so just and great why doesn'T he make the people in Africa healthy? Why does he let them die? Why good people suffer while some bad people have all they want? If you say in the end, those people will go to heaven, it doesn't supress the fact that they suffered during their lives and that could have been avoided.

Sorry everybody. I got drunk, went back in time, and wrote the Bible. It was all part of a joke, and the punchline was gonna be really fucking great, but in my drunken stupor, I broke my time machine, and I can't finish the joke. So now we're just stuck with religions and nutjobs. Sorry. But man, it was gonna be so funny.

Finish the joke here so we can all laugh and go home.

lolita said: If God is so just and great why doesn'T he make the people in Africa healthy? Why does he let them die? Why good people suffer while some bad people have all they want? If you say in the end, those people will go to heaven, it doesn't supress the fact that they suffered during their lives and that could have been avoided.

 

People in Africa are being devastated by AIDS because they are choosing religion over science.  We have proven that condoms can stop the flow of HIV-infested semen into any orifice.  However, these African tribal folks don't believe science.  They think condoms are stupid.  They think God will protect them from AIDS, and that you can only get AIDS from DEMONS.

It also didn't help when former South African deputy president Jacob Zuma told a court in April 2006 that he had had a shower after sex with the AIDS-infected lesbian woman accusing him of rape to reduce his chances of contracting the disease.  This man raped a woman with AIDS without a condom, but he took a shower right afterwards to wash the AIDS off.  This is the kind of stupid that science is fighting against.

See, I was gonna go back in time every 100 years and fall out of the sky and pretend I'm Jesus, and each time write a new testament saying some other random stuff contradicting my previous messages of revenge and love and war and forgiveness, to keep the planet on its toes fighting over which version I really meant, but then in the year 2000, I was just gonna take all my testaments, and lay them together in order, and it was going to make a big picture like when you fold the back of a Mad Magazine, and it was just gonna be a picture of my dick, and say "YOU GOT ZINGED!"

fagarcia75 said: Obviously not EVERYTHING God does would be unjust. But it's hard to deny that he was an asshole on multiple occasions in the Old Testament. Job is a pious man and all-around great guy. God and Satan get to talking about what a pious guy Job is and Satan says "Well I bet he wouldn't love you so much if you weren't so nice to him." God says, "I bet he would." So to settle the bet God sends some bad luck Job's way. Job still loves God. Okay, bet's over. But wait! Satan says, "I bet he wouldn't like you if you were meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets meaner. Job still likes God. -- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you were even meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets even meaner. Job still likes God. -- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you completely destroyed his family, all his stuff, got him really sick, and made everyone hate his guts!!" God says "OH YEAH?!" and does it all to Job. Job still loves God. (God knows why.) -- Then God gives Job all his stuff back, plus some extra for being a good sport about it. How is that not an bad thing to do? Beating up on some guy who loves you BECAUSE THE DEVIL SUGGESTED IT! P.S. Oh, and the fact that God was nice to Job again in the end doesn't make his treatment "just". [edit: I just noticed that you appear to only take issue with the "unjust" part of the description. I take it that you concede the rest is a fair description?] The bottom line is that the Bible is a spiritual book, and that God's ways are higher than man's ways. We are not going to be able to comprehend all that God has done or will do, but we can trust Him. The whole concept of trust and faith is relying upon God for who He is, and what He declares in the Bible. If it was a logical thing, then there would be no faith. As far as the whole Job passage goes, if Job thought God had been unjust he would of declared it, but Job did not. God had a higher purpose in these 'tragideies" for Job's life.

A. Maybe God did have some kind of awesome plan, but that doesn't change the fact that, according to the Bible, he really really screwed up that man's life.  There is no way for you to get around that plain and obvious fact.  The fact that Job didn't complain about getting raped doesn't mean it didn't happen.  

B. Every time I respond to your arguments, you shift to attacking something else without bothering to defend against my counterargument.  It's getting old and frankly I won't do it anymore.  Until you are ready to have a serious debate and actually hold your ground until the outcome of a point of contention is settled, you're not worth anyone's time. 

C. Unless every time you shifted your argument you were conceding that I was right on the previous argument?  If that is the case, just say the word and I retract my accusation with my apologies and we can make some headway. 

Please respond.  

Final-Fan said: Kasz216 said: Final-Fan said: Kasz216 said: Rath said: I guess we pretty much agree then. It's just as silly to demand proof of God's existence as it is to demand proof of his nonexistence. My problem was that you had seemed to be be saying 'I don't have to prove God exists, you have to prove He doesn't.', which, obviously, we don't. Good news is, you don't either. [edit:  I liked historical geography!]Â

Nah, see the difference was. I'm not actually trying to convince anybody god exists. Just trying to convince people to stop trying to convince people god doesn't exist. Whether or not you think god exists or not really isn't a decision that's going to be from an outside source. The reason i mention it to the people who don't believe in god... or don't really care either way is that because usally it's not until someone says their isn't a god anyone who does believe in him is an idiot do the super converting type people seem to jump into action. I've mostly been saying in this thread you can't tell one way or another, but mentioning why I think it's a good idea to believe in a god. Aside from my own personal reasons which I doubt would convince everyone of anything except that i was a little crazy. Honestly the problem most people have. Both Atheists and people who believe in a certain religion is they never seem to go by the "99.9% rule". Or atleast that's what i like to call it. Anything is possible. I believe in god, but I also except their is a chance he might not exist. Heck I accept their is a chance I might not exist. Also to be fair, there were plenty of things in historical geology i would talk about for weeks to anybody who would listen. So it may of just been the structure of 3 hour classes on which we were tested on every single detail that made the whole thing suck. I mean having 100 question quizes once a week on almost no matieral was a stress because you couldn't even guess where he was going to get half the questions from.

lolita said: If God is so just and great why doesn'T he make the people in Africa healthy? Why does he let them die? Why good people suffer while some bad people have all they want? If you say in the end, those people will go to heaven, it doesn't supress the fact that they suffered during their lives and that could have been avoided.

Well if good things always happened to good people then everyone would be good, just to be good.  You really wouldn't have freewill because everybody would do the same thing because their is no getting one over on god, so you have to be good. 

I imagine it's the same reason god wouldn't spontaniously appear infront of everbody and just says "I am god, i'm all powerful, what up?"

 Other then that.  I'd suggest watching the episode of Futurama where Bender gets sent into space "Godfellas" it's called.  It's in like the third season.

Partially because it actually provokes some interesting spirtual questions and but mostly because Futurama is just a great TV show that always finds a new way to make you laugh, even if you've seen episode multiple times.  I can't wait for the new episodes even if they are just going to be DVD movies re-arranged to be TV shows.

Kasz216 said: lolita said: If God is so just and great why doesn'T he make the people in Africa healthy? Why does he let them die? Why good people suffer while some bad people have all they want? If you say in the end, those people will go to heaven, it doesn't supress the fact that they suffered during their lives and that could have been avoided. Well if good things always happened to good people then everyone would be good, just to be good.  You really wouldn't have freewill because everybody would do the same thing because their is no getting one over on god, so you have to be good.  In what way would that be bad? It would be better than scare people with hell. People that belive in God/Heaven/Hell are scared of hell so that's why they're good. Why wouldn't people who are good don't get a benefit from it? I imagine it's the same reason god wouldn't spontaniously appear infront of everbody and just says "I am god, i'm all powerful, what up?" Why doesn't he do that? Is he affraid? Is he testing us? It's not very honest from him. Isn't a God supposed to be all divine, honest, rightous and good? I don't feel like that's what he is if he exists. If he proved he exists, people would belive him and be good. Is God wishing people to go to hell or something? Then why hide himself? Why not show people the truth so that they don't go to hell? I have one simple answer to all of this, it's because he doesn't exists or existed only to create this world then left it in our hands.

 

 

Interesting times have changed the catholic church has been very open since Vatican II refering to the kid on top of page 12 read and learn what the offical line is b4 u open ur mouth. Your refering to things in the 19th century that died out completely by 20th century.