Is there a god?

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fagarcia75 said:
Obviously not EVERYTHING God does would be unjust. But it's hard to deny that he was an asshole on multiple occasions in the Old Testament.

Job is a pious man and all-around great guy. God and Satan get to talking about what a pious guy Job is and Satan says "Well I bet he wouldn't love you so much if you weren't so nice to him." God says, "I bet he would." So to settle the bet God sends some bad luck Job's way. Job still loves God. Okay, bet's over.

But wait! Satan says, "I bet he wouldn't like you if you were meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets meaner. Job still likes God.
-- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you were even meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets even meaner. Job still likes God.
-- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you completely destroyed his family, all his stuff, got him really sick, and made everyone hate his guts!!" God says "OH YEAH?!" and does it all to Job. Job still loves God. (God knows why.)
-- Then God gives Job all his stuff back, plus some extra for being a good sport about it.

How is that not an bad thing to do? Beating up on some guy who loves you BECAUSE THE DEVIL SUGGESTED IT!

P.S. Oh, and the fact that God was nice to Job again in the end doesn't make his treatment "just".

[edit: I just noticed that you appear to only take issue with the "unjust" part of the description. I take it that you concede the rest is a fair description?]




The bottom line is that the Bible is a spiritual book, and that God's ways are higher than man's ways. We are not going to be able to comprehend all that God has done or will do, but we can trust Him. The whole concept of trust and faith is relying upon God for who He is, and what He declares in the Bible. If it was a logical thing, then there would be no faith.

As far as the whole Job passage goes, if Job thought God had been unjust he would of declared it, but Job did not. God had a higher purpose in these 'tragideies" for Job's life.

A. Maybe God did have some kind of awesome plan, but that doesn't change the fact that, according to the Bible, he really really screwed up that man's life.  There is no way for you to get around that plain and obvious fact.  The fact that Job didn't complain about getting raped doesn't mean it didn't happen.  

B. Every time I respond to your arguments, you shift to attacking something else without bothering to defend against my counterargument.  It's getting old and frankly I won't do it anymore.  Until you are ready to have a serious debate and actually hold your ground until the outcome of a point of contention is settled, you're not worth anyone's time. 

C. Unless every time you shifted your argument you were conceding that I was right on the previous argument?  If that is the case, just say the word and I retract my accusation with my apologies and we can make some headway. 

Please respond.