Darc Requiem said:
I just wanted to commend you on this post. |
Thank you, Let me know if you are interested in my beliefs.
Darc Requiem said:
I just wanted to commend you on this post. |
Thank you, Let me know if you are interested in my beliefs.
| PlagueOfLocust said: A comment about the idea of being "open-minded." You should be willing to investigate new ideas, but being open-minded without any sort of filter is going to let any idea in, including bad ones. There's a limit. Investigate, but only accept what is acceptable, not just anything you run into. And you can't uphold the idea that two religions are both true when they each make conflicting claims. Polytheism and monotheism can in no way both be right; one has to be wrong if both aren't. You have to pick one or none. You don't get credit for thinking they're all just dandy. Look at the ego in that logic: "I accept all religions, but don't care about the particulars where they conflict with each other. I've got it figured out better than everyone that believes in only one of the religions I accept; hence, I don't respect any of those people, or their religions." Choose one or choose none, but do choose. |
Yes you should be open minded
If you want to practice one religion you need to investigate all other, so you KNOW you are supposedly following the right one, Take 5 years of your lfe and study, or better yet, If you know anyone that has worked on any projects for uncle sam, ask them off the record.
dpmnymkrprez said:
Yes you should be open minded If you want to practice one religion you need to investigate all other, so you KNOW you are supposedly following the right one, Take 5 years of your lfe and study, or better yet, If you know anyone that has worked on any projects for uncle sam, ask them off the record. |
I don't disagree with you here. The only thing I'm adding is that you can't accept everything just because it's an idea. You have to make sure its a worth-while idea. "Filter" out the garbage.
"Whenever you find a man who says he doesn't believe in a real Right and Wrong, you will find the same man going back on this a moment later." -C.S. Lewis
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footbag said:
I'm going to disagree with this. If a scientist finds himself relying on faith. Or as in science they call it a hypothesys. He does all he can to test and disprove it. Wh he is thoroughly convince his hypothesys is correct, he publishes a paper including a repeatable experiment. This allows all of the scientific community to test his theory so they don't have to rely on faith.  Faith is useless in science because it is not testable. |
there are quite a few examples of science theories that didn't have any practical/observable evidence. a german scientist called boltzmann (spelling might be wrong) suggested the exsistence of the atom and he wrote some theories on the atom. there was no observable evidence for the atom at the time and he got laughed at so much he commited suicide.Â
Anyway if your going to say that God exists and that he created the universe you have to have some evidence because afterall the creation of the universe is about as sciency as science gets!Â

not really on topic but an interesting and funny (possibly embarrassing if your christian) fact nonetheless:
the word virgin (as in virgin mary) is a mistranslation from an arabic (i think) word meaning young.
i know alot of people wont believe me but anyone who has read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins can back me up because its in there.

"Anyway if your going to say that God exists and that he created the universe you have to have some evidence because afterall the creation of the universe is about as sciency as science gets! "
This is what i'm talking about, Science is the study of Everything, and the Universe is Everything, so the Creation of the Universe is not Science but Nescience. The problem with Science and God is that most scientists don't acknowledge anything that isn't within Science, which eventually leads them to thinking that something that is part of the Universe, or the Universe itself created the Universe. That is the sole ignorant weakness that comes with Science, the loss of knowledge in Nescience. All things are physical or mental, but nothing is of the soul or spiritual. This is the ignorance brought up by modern Science, and it doesn't have to be that way.
As for the one who spoke about being open-minded, for me it was being open-minded that strengthed my resolve in Christ. First i looked at Animism and Shintoism, two religious beliefs that deal with everything being the work of spirits and random dieties. At first glance I thought of how foolish such a belief could be, but one day when i was thinking about life in general, a new thought came up in me. Why is it that I see Animism and Shintoism as foolish? I eventually came up into thinking that they were very intelligent thoughts, that came up out of Nescience. They thought up something that modern Science is incapable of understanding. They thought of the spiritual world, a realm within and "above" the Universe that works within and "above" the Universe. Was it foolish? No. It is beyond the understanding of modern scientists, therefore the scientists deem it as foolish, simply because they lack the knowledge to understand.
I realized that it was because of this, Science continues its attacks on Christianity. The scientists lack the mental capacity of understanding, so therefore they can only understand things that they can see. This is mental weakness. Because the scientists cannot understand Nescience, they disregard it as true, and search for ways to purge it from common knowledge calling whatever they think up as truth and everything else childish fantasies. Eventually the lead the world to a souless state that cannot understand the very simplest of all remedial miracles, which is Faith. Because of this they replace Faith with something called hope, which is something that they can understand because they are secretly doing it every day. Hope but not Faith.
This is what comes of being open-minded. But to be open-minded you must have a strong mind or else you'd be lost into what you should believe. You can be open-minded and still be a Christian. In fact it is in the best interest of the Christian for them to be open-minded. Being open-minded goes hand in hand with what my point is. THINKING. Something almost everyone (even scientists and priests) fails to do.

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"there are quite a few examples of science theories that didn't have any practical/observable evidence. a German scientist called Boltzmann (spelling might be wrong) suggested the existence of the atom and he wrote some theories on the atom. there was no observable evidence for the atom at the time and he got laughed at so much he committed suicide. "
I believe that by definition, a scientific theory has to be either testable or falsifiable in some way. Now please don't ask me to test the Theory of Relativity, but the term Theory must be must be differentiated from hypothesis. A theory is widely accepted, while it may not be fact.(Don't read too far into the not being fact thing) A Law is fact.
| footbag said: "there are quite a few examples of science theories that didn't have any practical/observable evidence. a German scientist called Boltzmann (spelling might be wrong) suggested the existence of the atom and he wrote some theories on the atom. there was no observable evidence for the atom at the time and he got laughed at so much he committed suicide. " I believe that by definition, a scientific theory has to be either testable or falsifiable in some way. Now please don't ask me to test the Theory of Relativity, but the term Theory must be must be differentiated from hypothesis. A theory is widely accepted, while it may not be fact.(Don't read too far into the not being fact thing) A Law is fact. |
Exactly. The theory of gravity is widely accepted, but it cannot be proven as fact, it comes soley from speculation. There could very well be a star twice the size of the sun that doesn't have gravity. There could be a fact that only inertia exsists as oppose to gravity. But when you think of it, what goes up does come down and that's gravitiy.
However about Scientific Law, it is this that makes scientists ignorant. Scientific Law only has to do with the physical and natural, but nothing to do with the supernatural and spiritual. This is perfectly fine, but the problem is that because there is no Science to spiritualiaty and supernature, some people regard it as non existant, which is a disease of the Human mind when i think of it. How come when people think of the advances made by ancient men they only think of the scientific, technological, and political and nothing to do with the spiritual. People disregard it as foolishness which is really ignorant. Nowadays we lost our sense of soul. We can't appretiate nature as the wonderful works of God anymore sumply because our scientific jargon has taken it away.
If a child asks you How is there a Rainbow you'd tell them about the light reflecting differently off of the water and dust paricles that float in Earth's space which we know as Air. But what if the child asked you Why are there Rainbows? Would you say the same thing? Doing that would prove your ignorance, or lack of knowledge of the world you dwell in. That is the difference between Science and Nescience. The Laws of the Universe and the Laws of Beyond the Universe.

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Really people, a god debate on a video game forum, science damn the intarwebs...
| Kamizar said: Really people, a god debate on a video game forum, science damn the intarwebs... |
Actually this is an off topic discussion thread, we just happen to be talking religion/god on this one.
Speaking of religion, remember when Christopher columb wa laughed at.......because the world was flat right??