"do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry"

-ubiport

its funny cause they ported Prince of persia and far cry to the wii

so they are a bunch of hypocrites

11ht11 said: "do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry" -ubiport its funny cause they ported Prince of persia and far cry to the wii so they are a bunch of hypocrites

But they didn't sell. That is what they meant. The fact that the intended audience could see they were crap magically had nothing to do with it. 

LordTheNightKnight said: 11ht11 said: "do not really care about Prince of Persia, Rainbow Six or Far Cry" -ubiport its funny cause they ported Prince of persia and far cry to the wii so they are a bunch of hypocrites But they didn't sell. That is what they meant. The fact that the intended audience could see they were crap magically had nothing to do with it.

 cause they were bad ports that had bad graphics and bad controls

why would people buy them?

people who buy these games know about reviews and both got bad reviews 

3rd parties have to compete with Nintendo games?.........How does that work?

Lets just state the obvious, Ubisoft finds no problem in putting crap on the Wii. As far as I can see, if they ever come out with Red Steel 2, they won't come out with a "hardcore" game for a long time on the Wii.

There is no point in defending them, AT ALL. Who said Assassin's Creed wouldn' sell on the Wii? Red Steel wasn't near it's quality and sold over 1 million. If AC maintained the same marketing it had for a Wii release, it would pass 1 million.

No one will buy your game if its garbage. Why is that so hard to understand? As for Nintendo scaring 3rd parties away with their game quality, you couldn't be any more wrong.

I'm done with this thread, Ubisoft is on hiatus to me. They won't get any of my dollars until they release something worthwhile.

HappySqurriel said: jman8 said: HappySqurriel said: That is a statement which is neither true, nor can be demonstrated in any substantial way ... If you compare the number of titles sold related to the average number of months that a system has been owned you will see that the software sales are (roughly) the same across all platforms.    If you give me some numbers, I'll believe you. I dunno how to find out how many games each console has ever sold, but if you go to a normal week in which there was no major game releases for any of the three systems, you'll see the PS360 selling software at a percentage greater than their hardware marketshare of 55%. For example, North America Week Ending April 5th:  Wii: 1.1 million PS360: 1.5 million  And those Wii numbers include bundled games like Wii Sports and Wii Play. Take away those, and the Wii only sold 850,000 units of software. That's only 36% of the market. The Worldwide numbers are similar, but it's too hard to keep track of what games are being bundled for what systems in what territory. Therefore it's too hard to subtract those bundled games.   Months of ownership in 2008 in North America (assuming 1/2 month ownership for console sold in a month): XBox 360: 54592271.5 Wii: 49812343 PS3: 21379984 Units of software sold in 2008 in North America XBox 360: 25897420 Wii: 26478072, 23402230 (without Wii Sports), 21631296 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 12554967 Software sold per month ownership: XBox 360: 0.47 Wii: 0.53 / 0.47 (without Wii Sports) / 0.43 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 0.59   Now if you take Grand Theft Auto 4 out of the picture the XBox 360 ratio falls to 0.40 and the PS3 falls to 0.50. Certainly, there is a advantage towards the XBox 360/PS3 but that could easily be argued as a lack of quality third party titles for the Wii.

Why would you take GTAIV out? You also haven't disproved anything.

Point: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest using the Wii as a base.

Point2: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest 3rd party games.

I think that a majority of the really hardcore Wii users are really just the hardcore Nintendo fans and that any third party is at a disadvantage because of this. They'll pick Nintendo first.

Squilliam said: HappySqurriel said: jman8 said: HappySqurriel said: That is a statement which is neither true, nor can be demonstrated in any substantial way ... If you compare the number of titles sold related to the average number of months that a system has been owned you will see that the software sales are (roughly) the same across all platforms.    If you give me some numbers, I'll believe you. I dunno how to find out how many games each console has ever sold, but if you go to a normal week in which there was no major game releases for any of the three systems, you'll see the PS360 selling software at a percentage greater than their hardware marketshare of 55%. For example, North America Week Ending April 5th:  Wii: 1.1 million PS360: 1.5 million  And those Wii numbers include bundled games like Wii Sports and Wii Play. Take away those, and the Wii only sold 850,000 units of software. That's only 36% of the market. The Worldwide numbers are similar, but it's too hard to keep track of what games are being bundled for what systems in what territory. Therefore it's too hard to subtract those bundled games.   Months of ownership in 2008 in North America (assuming 1/2 month ownership for console sold in a month): XBox 360: 54592271.5 Wii: 49812343 PS3: 21379984 Units of software sold in 2008 in North America XBox 360: 25897420 Wii: 26478072, 23402230 (without Wii Sports), 21631296 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 12554967 Software sold per month ownership: XBox 360: 0.47 Wii: 0.53 / 0.47 (without Wii Sports) / 0.43 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 0.59   Now if you take Grand Theft Auto 4 out of the picture the XBox 360 ratio falls to 0.40 and the PS3 falls to 0.50. Certainly, there is a advantage towards the XBox 360/PS3 but that could easily be argued as a lack of quality third party titles for the Wii. Why would you take GTAIV out? You also haven't disproved anything. Point: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest using the Wii as a base. Point2: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest 3rd party games. I think that a majority of the really hardcore Wii users are really just the hardcore Nintendo fans and that any third party is at a disadvantage because of this. They'll pick Nintendo first.

This is where you fail. Majority of Nintendo hardcore fans enjoy QUALITY, that's what Nintendo offers, so there's no point of launching some disgusting, cheap, rushed and non-polished games/ports/jokes to an audience that wants quality.

It's natural that someone who has always enjoyed quality will be asking for quality, and will not be content with garbage. Games will sell, I just wonder if Ubiport launched these titles on PS360, would you buy them?

hahahaha... sorry just enjoying all the people pissed that ubi is not making games for them, sorry i guess for you. out side of the belief that wii owners will own another console if they are gamers, i do see this as a bad move for ubi, but it wont stop me from buying their games. if they make money and keep making games i enjoy, good for them.

sorry unhappy wii boys and girls, you backed the wrong horse for playing ubis games

goddog said: hahahaha... sorry just enjoying all the people pissed that ubi is not making games for them, sorry i guess for you. out side of the belief that wii owners will own another console if they are gamers, i do see this as a bad move for ubi, but it wont stop me from buying their games. if they make money and keep making games i enjoy, good for them. sorry unhappy wii boys and girls, you backed the wrong horse for playing ubis games

 It's Ubisoft and Ubisoft Shareholders loss.

Squilliam said: HappySqurriel said: Months of ownership in 2008 in North America (assuming 1/2 month ownership for console sold in a month): XBox 360: 54592271.5 Wii: 49812343 PS3: 21379984 Units of software sold in 2008 in North America XBox 360: 25897420 Wii: 26478072, 23402230 (without Wii Sports), 21631296 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 12554967 Software sold per month ownership: XBox 360: 0.47 Wii: 0.53 / 0.47 (without Wii Sports) / 0.43 (Without Wii Sports and Wii Play) PS3: 0.59   Now if you take Grand Theft Auto 4 out of the picture the XBox 360 ratio falls to 0.40 and the PS3 falls to 0.50. Certainly, there is a advantage towards the XBox 360/PS3 but that could easily be argued as a lack of quality third party titles for the Wii. Why would you take GTAIV out? You also haven't disproved anything. Point: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest using the Wii as a base. Point2: Xbox360+PS3 sell disproportionately more than their numbers suggest 3rd party games. I think that a majority of the really hardcore Wii users are really just the hardcore Nintendo fans and that any third party is at a disadvantage because of this. They'll pick Nintendo first.

The elimination of GTA 4 was mainly because it is having a disproportionate impact on the ratio at this point in time; you can argue that people would have bought another game instead of GTA 4 but you can make the exact same argument about Wii Play and Wii Sports.

Point 1: jman8's comment was "the PS360 population has a greater percentage of hardcore gamers who buy a ton of games" which I would say I demonstrated was entirely false; when you're talking about the average Wii owner buying 5 games per year and the average PS3/XBox 360 owner buying 6 games per year that is a pretty poor demonstration of "hardcore gamers who buy a ton of games"

Point 2: Yes, it is true that the PS3 and XBox 360 sell a lot more third party games but the combined development and marketing costs of the top 10% of XBox 360 and PS3 games are probably larger than the combined development and marketing costs of the entire third party Wii library.

Some people seem to want to have it both ways, they want to bash the Wii because its library is "weaker" than the XBox 360 and PS3 mainly because publishers have produced a ton of crappy games for the Wii, they want to bash the Wii because third party games have sold "poorly" compared to Nintendo games (even though they have sold really well for their quality and marketing), and then they want to bash games (like Carnivale games) which are successful even though they're low quality and lack marketing.

Simply look at the quality difference of Ubisoft titles for the Wii and XBox 360 and give me 1 reason why the Wii should have sold a similar volume of Ubisoft titles to the XBox 360:

Wii:

No More Heroes (83.25%)
Rayman Raving Rabbids (76.92%)
Prince of Persia Rival Swords (71.22%)
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (67.45%)
Red Steel (65.77%)
Nitrobike (50.45%)
Far Cry Vengeance (37.04%)

XBox 360:

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (90.39%)
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (89.11%)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (86.06%)
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent (84.64%)
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 (82.68%)
Assassin's Creed (82.5%)
Prince of Persia Classic (80.84%)
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie (80.14%)
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja (78.13%)
Far Cry Instincts Predator (77.62%)
Blazing Angels 2: Secret Missions of WWII (72.07%)
Enchanted Arms (71.70&)
Call of Juarez (71.63%)
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII (66.55%)

 

@Happy Squirrel: I agree, the avrg score for Ubisoft developed titles for the Wii is 57% according to IGN's reviews.

That's enough proof to back up the bitterness of Wii owners towards Ubisoft, who lied to us by stating they would bring quality titles to Wii.
Absolute bullshit.