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bdbdbd said:
Bored4life said:

Your assumptions are incorrect and therefore your conclusions are as well.

1)The market wasn't downstream all along.Look at 2)

2)Nintendo has an upmarket.They bought Gamecube and GBA and moved to DS.

3)It's always the games.

4)Upstreaming has been going on since Mario Galaxy.The increased sales of their franchise games compared to their last gen counterparts indicate this.

 

Now to explain.

 

While Nintendo does have an existing upmarket it clearly had the minority mindshare(I don't need to elaborate this,we all know it's true)

Nintendo realized that no matter what it did the majority of the market would slight it,even if they carried out their intended objective to perfection.Read through Malstrom's articles for proof.

As a result Nintendo focused on keeping the majority of it's fans and bringing in new gamers to increase their influence.According to Nintendo most people love to play games and video games shouldn't have been an exception,however this wasn't the case.They identified 2 obstacles that faced most non gamers.

1)Lack of practical controls.

Here's an example:"Hardcore" gamers praise the analog stick for racing and ridicule motion control.What they don't realize however is that to the average joe it is confusing and to an extent rubbish.Who the hell drives with an analog stick in their car?This turns off more people than we realize.My mom wanted to play Double Dash from seeing it but took a look at my controller and never bothered.

2)Even if the people mentioned above managed to get past the controls,they were then faced with the realization that there wasn't much content that kept their interest.i.e. mostlty violen/blockbuster material.

 

Nintendo then dealt with the both obstacles but realized beforehand that sooner or later saturation would occur.

Face it, most people are tired playing the same thing over and over and wish they could have something more robust .

The process by which Nintendo convinces these people to undergo this transition is called upstreaming.

I'll cut it here to bump the thread.Reply and I'll continue to the actual meat of the issue.

 

 


 

1. Yes he had, but: 2. They had the upmarket, but this is a question about upstreaming the Touch Generations gamers. 4. Don't forget about the Excite Truck. Besides, look at Mario Party 8 and Wario Ware, they definately fit the upstreaming strategy by teaching people how to use Wii Remote in various ways. And they did also work as dowstreaming the upmarket (this is where MKWii for example works better). Saying that Nintendo only tries to upstream is incorrect, since it also tries to downstream. In other words; get all the gamers to play all the games.

 1) I'm not finished.I think I said that.

2) Using remote in different ways is not upstreaming it's downstreaming to show the stubborn hardcore that there is more to life than analog sticks and Dpad.The downmarket was introduced to gaming through these games so their is no upstreaming.The controls might be more rubust but the user experience is the same.Upstreaming games are SMB,Brawl and MK:Wii

3)I never said that downstreaming doesn't occur.Look at the OP's post and you will see that he has barely a clue on the issue. Information overload is a recipe for confusion.I'm taking my time with my typing and thinking how best to relate my next point.



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Yushire= Kazuo Hirai.

There were rumors about next Punch-Out using the BB.
It's hard to say what games the Balance Board will get, but a lot of games will support it as a feature. Shooters, sports games, racing games etc.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

3rd Party games.

Now you Malstrom Lovers wait for his next article he´ll tell you exactly the same



Continuing from previous post.

 

The uptreaming process is basically introducing values of the upmarket to the downmarket in a gradual fashion so as to not scare them away from the industry.

 Examples.

Super Mario Galaxy:

To new gamers who where introduced by the downmarket games(I'll call them the Wiisports crowd for brevity) winning and losing was realized when one or two actions took place, such as winning when a single boxing,bowling game etc was completed . Satisfaction was achieved quickly however sooner or later these feats will seem unrewarding as time goes by since no increase in satisfaction can occur when the tasks are fixed in length.

Downstreaming mechanism:

The upmarket are shown how effective motion control can be in platforming. 

Upstreaming mechanism:

Completing a single objective would have meant that they won the game in Wiisports,however in this case all they get is a star.A star of many to be collected before they can actually achieve their final goal.Since the quest is longer their satisfaction upon completion as a result would be greater and they then begin to understand and appreciate what the fuss is all about(Ever had a parent asking you why you're still playing a certain game?).This is something that would have never occured if they weren't introduced to gaming by Wii Sports in the first place.Not only that but like any drug these gamers are now going to look for similiarly tiered games to get their fix and so games of this tier start to increase as we have been seeing with Brawl and another but far more dangerous game(to PS3 and 360).

 

Mario Kart Wii:

Downstreaming mechanism:

Despite the pissing and moaning from the upmarket about the dumbing down of the game etc. fans of the series are addicts and still bought the game because "IT'S MARIO KART! OMGWTFBBQ!". Thanks to a mechanism introduced that made steering with the wheel more beneficial than the standard controller most were forced to use the wheel.After finally experiencing it they then realized the merit of the control method and now can't live without an experience that can only be emulated easily on the Wii.

Upstreaming mechanism:

New gamers are introduced to such experiences such as online and competion(leaderboards,rankings,controls being familiar to real life for almost instant transition) putting more stress on the players as well as a more rewarding experience for your achievements.This competitive enviroment is something that is introduced but not forced upon them and due to the ease at which this occurs allows them to enjoy it without being intimidated.

 

So here we see games that upstream the market.However as noted above these upstream games also downstream as well.Nintendo has called these bridge games.

Bridge games are games that connect the upmarket to the downmarket and like any bridge allows people from one side to cross over and experience the other.We hear game journalists spout crap about Mario Kart's goal is to allow "hardcore and casuals to play together" but this is bullshit.Why bother to do this.As can seen from above "hardcore" and "casuals" playing together isn't the real goal it is just a consequence of something much greater(Massive sales in the short term and unquestionable brand loyalty in the long term by both markets).

But I see that you mentioned that the upmarket hates the Wii.If so then why are these bridge games carrying out their goal perfectly by harnessing both markets with ease.

The answer is simple and is one that the gaming media would never admit.Are you ready?

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There are 2 upmarkets.

 

I'll cut it off here while I review my last piece.Feel free to ask any questions that you may have. 

 

 



Prediction:
Disney will make KH3 with Nintendo.Yes,KH3 will be a Disney/Nintendo crossover.

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ALERT: I have also exposed a UBI'Z'OFT viral marketer in THIS thread.Read my posts, see the set up and watch how everything crumbles on page 8. Please learn from this experience.

yushire said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

Depending on the genre you're interested in, Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl, Kart Wii, Link's Crossbow Training, or Super Paper Mario are all part of the upmarket.

They're all classic genres with amazing new controls.
WELL HD consoles have more of those games and more core games to come in this upcoming year, what I want to know is what Ninty will do about it. Seem theyre into casual gaming these days especially with the launch of Wii Fit. Though Malstrom said Wii Fit is the second tier for their disruption plan to make on the upmarket, but how? 

 


 HD consoles have absolutely nothing like Mario Galaxy.  Brawl is a very unique platformer/fighter, that can't really be compared to anything but the previous 2 games in its own magic isolated genre, and it has 4 different customizable control schemes so anyone can play.  Metroid Prime 3 is a FPS but with really intuitive point and shoot controls (which the HD consoles don't have).  Super Paper Mario is a pretty unique game, being a classic 2-D platformer with RPG elements.

In fact, due to the UNIQUE control scheme that comes with the system, I'd say the Wii has the most UNIQUE game library that takes advantage of it.

When you clump together all the major first party Nintendo games as "those games" and say the HD consoles have more of them... what exactly do you mean?  I really have no idea.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
yushire said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

Depending on the genre you're interested in, Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl, Kart Wii, Link's Crossbow Training, or Super Paper Mario are all part of the upmarket.

They're all classic genres with amazing new controls.
WELL HD consoles have more of those games and more core games to come in this upcoming year, what I want to know is what Ninty will do about it. Seem theyre into casual gaming these days especially with the launch of Wii Fit. Though Malstrom said Wii Fit is the second tier for their disruption plan to make on the upmarket, but how?

 


HD consoles have absolutely nothing like Mario Galaxy. Brawl is a very unique platformer/fighter, that can't really be compared to anything but the previous 2 games in its own magic isolated genre, and it has 4 different customizable control schemes so anyone can play. Metroid Prime 3 is a FPS but with really intuitive point and shoot controls (which the HD consoles don't have). Super Paper Mario is a pretty unique game, being a classic 2-D platformer with RPG elements.

In fact, due to the UNIQUE control scheme that comes with the system, I'd say the Wii has the most UNIQUE game library that takes advantage of it.

When you clump together all the major first party Nintendo games as "those games" and say the HD consoles have more of them... what exactly do you mean? I really have no idea.

Just for the record im playing the ones you mentioned, I already finished Metroid Prime 3 and Super Paper Mario, both are great games and both are revolutionary, still unlocking SSBB and playing Mario Kart Wii when Im bored. Though I never finished Super Mario Galaxy and will play Zelda later on because Im finishing Tomb Raider Anniversary and will play Bully later on.

The one problem Wii is facing right now, if you see my games most of it are first parties, my games Im currently playing with third parties are ports of ps2. BTW I finished Medal of Honor Heroes 2 good game, a PSP port.

This is the reason why I want if Ninty will ever will upstream the market, its because of this "downstreaming" why 3rd parties make casual game crap on the Wii. Many 3rd parties thinks that casual games sells on the Wii. Even now they makes casual crap and ports on the Wii even with AAA first party Nintendo titles.

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

I´ll say it again: 3rd party games.

And the next Malstrom article is gonna be online soon.



Louie said:
I´ll say it again: 3rd party games.

And the next Malstrom article is gonna be online soon.
Not really, he said that he will make more time to research and work on his article, thats why the article will took longer than his long articles. Do you know how long I wait for his second disruption article? Now imagine if it take longer? 

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

yushire said:
Louie said:
I´ll say it again: 3rd party games.

And the next Malstrom article is gonna be online soon.
Not really, he said that he will make more time to research and work on his article, thats why the article will took longer than his long articles. Do you know how long I wait for his second disruption article? Now imagine if it take longer?

 


 It will be online very soon. Believe me.



Louie said:
yushire said:
Louie said:
I´ll say it again: 3rd party games.

And the next Malstrom article is gonna be online soon.
Not really, he said that he will make more time to research and work on his article, thats why the article will took longer than his long articles. Do you know how long I wait for his second disruption article? Now imagine if it take longer?

 


It will be online very soon. Believe me.

How are you sure about that?  

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg