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Damn!!

I was waiting to hear him say...

"But with DDR pad on the Xbox360 you can..."

Holy cow - it's like he's refferencing some arbitrary notion then slaps Wiifit to the definition in such a round about way you'd think he was speaking to cover his arse while shooting down some piece of plastic.

This is going to be fun though, when you have people who are against a product like this, all that means is you have A LOT of people who want a product like this.

Heh - the life time units sold of this thing will be amazing to go back to.



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The number of Wii owners that have recently become fitness experts is amazing !

News at 9 ! Fat people are more likely to own a Wii over a PS3 or a 360 !



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Naum said:
Yes BMI is flawed...

but it still works for 90% of the population the rest 10% are athletes7bodybuilders etc etc and for them the BMI index isnt someting to follow but as I said it works for the rest of us.

 10 % of what population are athletes/bodybuilders ? I'd guess Athletes and Bodybuilders would account for 0.2 -1% of any given population but that's just a guess.

Calling something flawed is different from something that has flaws , representing "90%"(your percentage) of a population accuratley would indicate to me that the BMI system has flaws but isn't flawed itself.



OK here we got first BMI pros and cons

Unlike weigth BMI scales with height so if you are a 6 foot women and see 140 lbs and here you 5'5 freinds talking about being fat at 120 seeing your higher wieght may be discouraging however since it is BMI it will balance the height issue of weight. So I think that is important especially for marketting.

Also this doctor is correct Overweight does not mean unhealthy it means you are outside the norm for your height in terms of average healthy weight. anything between 25-30 could be considered questionable since Mike Tyson I am sure was fit when he was 21 and had a 28 BMI. However once you hit 30 only very few statistical outliers are left that don't have a high body fat percentage and it is more than likely unhealthy to be 6 ft 235lbs unless you are now the governor of Califronia and even he has had heart issues(steriod use most likely).

Another point is that is easier to burn 3500 calories of fat than it is to gain 1 pound of muscle.

I do have to say that I do not think Wii Fit will cause dramatic weight loss but I do think it may help with things like balance, increasing general activity levels and most importantly tracking your weight and even seeing what you have done in the past. There is no doubt better programs out there but thinking about this.

You want to go to a Gym but you can't do more than 3 push ups without being winded and you feel embarressed. You are interested in Yoga but you have never actually tried it before and don't know what it is. You just want to do something active at 2 am and you live in the middle of nowhere. You live in a downtown apartment in the bad part of town and don't feel like jogging with the crackheads and tranny hookers and drug dealers as well as deal with traffic lights and cars.

Wii Fit has its place as either introductory or just makingyour like a little less sedinitary with some mild distractions. I woudln't be surprised if you start seeing 3rd party games that are balanced based with stories that require a lot of movements....Hoping for a FPS with nunchuck and balance board combo! or even better a JRPG that will surely shed some calories as the only way to run from random battle number 3809 is by hoping on and off the board as fast as possible and dodging attacks means shifting your weigth in accordance to the highlighted character.



If your BMI is 28 and you are strong instead of overweight, you'll know it easiily by just your athletic performance. Can someone really be healthy with such a BMI without significant physical activity? If you are running 10 miles a week and have a high BMI, you won't mind if Wii fit says you are fat, because you know it's wrong.

If anything, the cold, hard BMI can show anorexic woman that they have a problem.



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Naum said:
Yes BMI is flawed...

but it still works for 90% of the population the rest 10% are athletes7bodybuilders etc etc and for them the BMI index isnt someting to follow but as I said it works for the rest of us.

 I don't know about that 90% mark, there are lots of people that are construction workers, plumbers, electrictions, anyone who works at a store and has to unload a truck every couple of days (or every day at bigger stores), or pretty much anyone who has an active job, BMI will not work on because they build up muscle working everyday even though they aren't athletes or body builders.  My brother is a plumber, he mostly works new construction and he is skinny, yet probably ways upwards of 180 because he has to carry around lots of equipment building lots of muscle that doesn't make him look like a body builder but it is still there.  BMI is good for people that don't build up lots of muscle through working out and active jobs.  But that doesn't mean it is right for everyone and there will be a number of active people that will play with Wiifit and will be told they are obese because they have muscle but the BMI in the game will read it as fat.



Ail said:
The number of Wii owners that have recently become fitness experts is amazing !

News at 9 ! FatFit people are more likely to own a Wii over a PS3 or a 360 !


Fixed.



A 2nd Opinion

I’ve worked in a major medical center for 35 years and trust me when I say that ASKING A DOCTOR CAN BE MISLEADING. Why do you think insurance companies will usually ask for a 2nd opinion? There are as many opinions among experts as there are experts and unfortunately many of them will say whatever is required to get publicity. Didn’t anyone watch O.J. Simpson’s trial?

Of course BMI is not the only measurement; there is no such thing. On the other hand it is rather disingenuous of her to pretend that it is not very much used in medicine. I recently joined the program at the Weight Management Center where I work. It is regarded as one of the best programs in the country. Guess what three things they measure in order to plan your program and later to monitor your progress. They measure weight, BMI and basal metabolism. Wii Fit does two of these and I think it’s unreasonable to expect it to do the basal metabolism which requires some fairly sophisticated equipment.

I should think that anyone with more than a room temperature IQ is aware that exercise without dieting is not going to work for losing weight. We burn almost all our calories keeping our body temperature a balmy 98.6 F and exercise doesn’t increase calorie usage all that much. A good hard workout might burn up an apple but it will not burn up the prune Danish you snuck. That said, a program of regular exercise, very much like Wii Fit offers, can boost your metabolism and that can help very much with weight reduction. Primarily it is designed for fitness, not muscle mass or losing gobs of weight.

The charge that people will abandon Wii Fit after a while; Yes Sir, Captain Obvious, a significant number will. An equal or greater number will quit a Weight Management Program, give up a diet and gyms have a business model that expects a majority not to use the facility that they’ve paid for. This is why they are much more interested in selling you a long term contract than they are by charging by the hour.

If there is a fitness program that doesn’t require the will to keep it up I’d like to hear of it. The same goes for weight reduction with the exception of becoming a POW and bariatric surgery. To get the surgery, you have to basically prove that you have tried multiple programs and just don’t have the willpower to lose the weight by dieting. So then they staple your stomach or put on a lap band so you can lose “automatically. And even then, some people show so little resolve that the surgery is a failure because all it can do is keep you from eating a lot at a time. But if you graze all day long you can still gain weight.

This physician undoubtedly knows all these things but she has put a spin on to put down a viable though not perfect fitness alternative.

There is the other side of physicians, especially physical therapist, who have ACTUALLY USED and indorse Wii Fit. My own institution is installing some for that purpose. But you can bet your ass that GameSpy won’t manage to spy any of them since they will not support their predetermined campaign to spread only negative information.



The title should say is asking the doctor misleading? Ask Wiifit



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Mummelmann said:
The idea is great, but BMI really is highly flawed. Using just the weight could work just as well, you can see for yourself whether or not your body fat is too high. If I stepped on the board, it'd tell me I was obese, which I'm not, having a body fat % below average but muscle % above average.

 You have that option actually.  You can set your own goals and set yoruself to gain weight if you'd like.