disolitude said: jlauro said: disolitude said: My problem with all these casual social games like Wii fit, Wii sports, Rock band, guitar hero and 70% of normal wii games is that one doesn't take any emotion or feeling after the game is turned off. They are all phisycal activities which are only fun in the moment you are playing them...they are a good diversion and have their place in gaming but shouldn't really be considered the next step. A good non-casual video game can scare you, can make you think, can engage your with a story, impress you wil art design...etc...long after you turn off your console...this can't. Otherwise that's a pretty fair review in my opinion...   Those people should go work out for real then or go bowling in a real bowling alley or maybe start lering to play a real instument...

HappySqurriel said: I think a lot of reviewers end up deciding what they want to give a particular game (as a score) and then justify that score ... If they decide that they want to give Bioshock a 10/10 then multiplayer (of any form) is unnecessary, while if they want to give Wii Fit a 7.5/10 they use "no multiplayer" as a shortcomming to dock marks; on a flip side if they want to give Halo a 10/10 then the enjoyment of multiplayer easily compensates for the lackluster single player campaign, and if they want to give Mario Kart a 7.5/10 the single player campaign was not good enough to justify a greater score.

 That post is so full of win! I think you've totally nailed most reviewers' rating system. 

Ajax said: ''Wii owners may begin buying MASSIVELY 360/PS3 for GTA4 if they discover you can play darts all you want in the game''............. lol

Coming from a Wii/360 owner who played GTA4, the mini games were absolute shit in GTA 4, especially, especially darts, and especially pool.

That's why I never took any of my 'friends' on anywhere or did anything with them. They call you, and you can just hang up right away and get back to getting your missions done. And if you take taxis everywhere, you don't have to drive as much either.

Not many people who have played a lot of games this generation will argue that GTA 4 deserves a 10/10.  I have many friends who own the game, and everyone thinks somewhere between 6/10 and 8/10.  Although most of them seem to still like the multiplayer quite a bit.

disolitude said: My problem with all these casual social games like Wii fit, Wii sports, Rock band, guitar hero and 70% of normal wii games is that one doesn't take any emotion or feeling after the game is turned off. They are all phisycal activities which are only fun in the moment you are playing them...they are a good diversion and have their place in gaming but shouldn't really be considered the next step. A good non-casual video game can scare you, can make you think, can engage your with a story, impress you wil art design...etc...long after you turn off your console...this can't. Otherwise that's a pretty fair review in my opinion...

When I want something to scare me, make me think, engage me with a story I read a BOOK! I'm sorry but the best video game ever made hardly qualifies as soul enriching great literature. Hacking zombies or running around a city with a shotgun doesn't make me a better person. All I expect from video games (or most movies) is entertainment since they are at best fairly shallow and superficial.

I personally find the physicality and engagement of actually moving something other than my thumbs more entertaining than what you call a "non-casual" game. If you prefer the other, that's fine, but don't confuse it with an intellectual pursuit.

My problem with your games is they are the same damn games I have played for twenty years with better graphics. At least Nintendo actually came up with something original and while it needs more maturity and development to reach full potential, yes I do think it's the next step. I'm am certain that future games will be controlled more and more by natural body movements eventually to the point of using your eyes to change camera angles. The old fashioned hand controller will soon be a dinosaur.

TheBigFatJ said: Ajax said: ''Wii owners may begin buying MASSIVELY 360/PS3 for GTA4 if they discover you can play darts all you want in the game''............. lol Coming from a Wii/360 owner who played GTA4, the mini games were absolute shit in GTA 4, especially, especially darts, and especially pool. That's why I never took any of my 'friends' on anywhere or did anything with them. They call you, and you can just hang up right away and get back to getting your missions done. And if you take taxis everywhere, you don't have to drive as much either. Not many people who have played a lot of games this generation will argue that GTA 4 deserves a 10/10. I have many friends who own the game, and everyone thinks somewhere between 6/10 and 8/10. Although most of them seem to still like the multiplayer quite a bit.

I was disappointed by how stupidly easy the darts game was.  Haven't played pool yet in GTAIV.  Bowling is much better, but the bowling in Wii Sports is ten times better even with the too-light ball in that game.  (And no way to adjust the weight.) 

Your friends who want to give it 6/10 are being way too harsh, but then again I wouldn't call their opinions any more skewed than those of those who think it's the greatest game ever made thus far. 

How would multiplayer working out work?

And would that really be a good idea? I mean do you WANT to compete with someone else when working out. I mean unless you are playing vs someone roughly the same size and weight and fitness level that's just going to make you feel bad.

It kidna feels like wanting multiplayer solataire.

disolitude said: jlauro said: disolitude said: My problem with all these casual social games like Wii fit, Wii sports, Rock band, guitar hero and 70% of normal wii games is that one doesn't take any emotion or feeling after the game is turned off. They are all phisycal activities which are only fun in the moment you are playing them...they are a good diversion and have their place in gaming but shouldn't really be considered the next step. A good non-casual video game can scare you, can make you think, can engage your with a story, impress you wil art design...etc...long after you turn off your console...this can't. Otherwise that's a pretty fair review in my opinion... Haha! I know some people that would say the opposite... They get emotion out of social games and would consider a good non-casual video game is for the moment only. Wii fit is something that engages you throughout the week as you follow the advice from the game, etc... Those people should go work out for real then or go bowling in a real bowling alley or maybe start lering to play a real instument...

 Yes maybe but then again maybe they are like me who don't have alot of free time to do this kind of stuff in real life so instead of 3 hours away from home for 1 hour of work out I can do maybe 1,5 hours of work out in just 1,5 hours.

 

Bobbuffalo said: disolitude said: Those people should go work out for real then or go bowling in a real bowling alley or maybe start lering to play a real instument...

That is truly the most bizarre comment I have ever seen. If you’re making fun of people because they bowl by actually swinging their arm what does that say about someone that would do it by wiggling their thumbs. Maybe you should grab a gun, get drunk and drive a car around at high speed instead of playing GTA IV.

And reasons I would get Wii Fit rather than just going to a gym:

1.  Convenience, I can exercise whenever I want without leaving my house. The nearest gym is far enough away to waste considerable time just in travel.

2.Cost. Wii Fit = $89.00 one time. Gym equals membership fee that keeps mounting up

3. Privacy. I don’t particularly like working out just to amuse the jocks and gym rats that are in much better shape and love to sneer and laugh when you bobble an exercise

4.Balance Training. I’m older and I need to improve my balance in order to avoid injuries from a fall. According to the head of physical therapy at the major teaching hospital where I work, the Wii Fit board is an extraordinary sensitive device for real time balance feedback that ISN’T even available at a gym

5. Fun. The exercise mini games won’t win game of the year but they’re a heck of a lot more fun than the torture machines at the gym

6. Motivation. Every reviewer I’ve read who actually used Wii Fit over a realistically long term trial have found it an extraordinarily good motivation tool. Something that the idea of going to the gym sadly lacks.

7. Environment. My living room is a heck of a lot nicer than a gym and smells a hell of a lot better.

 

"I think a lot of reviewers end up deciding what they want to give a particular game (as a score) and then justify that score ..."

Bingo.

For more fun, look on gamerankings. Wii Sports has a 76.5% on gamerankings. Wii Play has a 60% rating even though it will outsell Halo 3 in the US soon.

Simply put, reviewers don't review anymore. They simply spit out what the publishers and "elite gamers" say.

Grampy said: Bobbuffalo said: disolitude said: Those people should go work out for real then or go bowling in a real bowling alley or maybe start lering to play a real instument... That is truly the most bizarre comment I have ever seen. If you’re making fun of people because they bowl by actually swinging their arm what does that say about someone that would do it by wiggling their thumbs. Maybe you should grab a gun, get drunk and drive a car around at high speed instead of playing GTA IV. And reasons I would get Wii Fit rather than just going to a gym: 1.  Convenience, I can exercise whenever I want without leaving my house. The nearest gym is far enough away to waste considerable time just in travel. 2.Cost. Wii Fit = $89.00 one time. Gym equals membership fee that keeps mounting up 3. Privacy. I don’t particularly like working out just to amuse the jocks and gym rats that are in much better shape and love to sneer and laugh when you bobble an exercise 4.Balance Training. I’m older and I need to improve my balance in order to avoid injuries from a fall. According to the head of physical therapy at the major teaching hospital where I work, the Wii Fit board is an extraordinary sensitive device for real time balance feedback that ISN’T even available at a gym 5. Fun. The exercise mini games won’t win game of the year but they’re a heck of a lot more fun than the torture machines at the gym 6. Motivation. Every reviewer I’ve read who actually used Wii Fit over a realistically long term trial have found it an extraordinarily good motivation tool. Something that the idea of going to the gym sadly lacks. 7. Environment. My living room is a heck of a lot nicer than a gym and smells a hell of a lot better.

I probably would if it was legal. (j/k)

Seriously, I think me and this topic got off on the wrong foot. I have nothing against wii sports, Rock band or these games...I own guitar hero and rock and for the 360. Its great fun however I do state that when Half life 2 came out...I was thinking about that game for a week while I was at work. It engaged me in ways that these rock band type games can't...

As far as my other comment...if those people are engaged with Wii fit or guitar hero so much that it causes them to think about it when they stop playing...they should go to the gym or play a real insturment. I don't see anything strange about that train of thought like you say... They would put their interests to good use.