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Well, this guy really emphasizes shooters and America a lot. The guy is taking a too narrow view on the entire situation.

The 360 has a good line-up, and I'm talking about non-shooter games as well (which is why I have the console). But at this point, they lack support from about half of the world (Mainland Europe and Japan). They won't be irrelevant, but I think HW sales will be 3rd place when all said and done.



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well he'll either be right or wrong will have to wait and see! he shared his opinnion!

His points for online stradegy were real sony and Nintendo are really lacking there put a code in for nintendo and sony's better but the in game option to chat and do other stuff with your friends are lacking!

live is a way better delivery of service and usability! Its worth the $50.00 a year.

still Ps3 had some great releases and still more to come with MGS4 and Resistence 2 and killzone2 coming awesome titles sells software sony needs a consistant line up

Like he said Nintendo needs AAA games to keep people coming or does it will sports fit and play be all the casual buyer need to keep it flying off the shelf???

as for franchise monsters they are all out what other great Nintendo franchise game is coming???? and 3 rd party support aaa titles that are coming???

ya thier current lineup and hardware could do fine on its own but videosgames or software sells consoles too.

At least thats how it used to work I guess gears 2 and bioshock 2 what other major exclusive does the 360 got thats total hype beside the add on content for GTA that could be huge when it hits!

still price drops and software and value will help determine the outcome the fact that the 360 could be free in Japan and still not beat the wii or the PS3 shows brand loyalty and direct consumer support for brand name products that are home grown.

says no american made game console will ever sell well there.

Do they use windows there too???



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My top 5 favourite parts of that article

 

In at Number 5...

Blu-ray discs are still the "best and most efficient way to deliver content" and "when you consider that content that plays on PlayStation 3 can go as high as 50GB it's going to be very difficult to deliver 50GB to consumers in some parts of the world in a timely fashion."

what a way to spin Blu Ray as a negative point, Ms were on the ball there by limiting themselves to the convenient DVD's

 

Moving up 2 places to Number 4...

Nintendo is working diligently to look like a company that cares about online gaming, but most of the integration on that front has been mediocre. To make matters worse, the company's online roadmap is practically forgotten and it seems like it's more focused on "innovation in gaming" than anything else. That's a mistake.

I can see nintendo having emergency board meetings now with top executives getting their bollocks wrapped by Miya and co saying "yeah sure you got us the market leading console, yeah we cant meet demand, yeah people are queueing up with good money to allow a software company to train their brains and bodies but did you have to do it through "innovation"!!

 

Number 3..

Microsoft has the best strategy in place to appeal to the biggest group of gamers and create a greater value proposition for its customers.

Yeah cos here's me thinking both Nintendo and Sony offered diversity with offerings like Singstar, Wii Sports, numerous party games - i know i'm sick of those retirement home has daily Halo 3 online death match competitons stories that have been crowding the internet recently.

 

Number 2...

All the while, the Xbox 360 is the forgotten player in this market that's still enjoying hearty sales without any major price drop

To quote Blackadder "if nothing else then the total pig headidness to stare the facts in the face will see you through" - I mean one of my mates who bought a 360 last week didn't get it for £70 cheaper than I did from the same shop a year before did he?

 

And New Entry at Number 1...

But let's not forget that Nintendo is not innocent in all this. If it weren't for first-party titles, I'm not convinced that the Wii would be nearly as popular as it is today. And now that almost every major Nintendo title is already available, how much longer should we expect the company to enjoy such strong sales?

Oh where to begin... If a Nintendo console didn't have Nintendo games then it wouldn't be popular - that's kinda like me saying GTA4 wouldn't be half as much fun without electricity.  Lets finish with his best statement when he's basically sayin Nintendo cannot win this gen ans they're already winning so how long can they keep selling better than the rest?  Well they have Japan wrapped up, seem ot be concentrating on America now with breaking sales records last 2 months on the trot no, are upping their production, is the fastest selling console ever produced to date and they aren't even half way through their games library yet.



 


Analysts like Reisinger demonstrate my point perfectly on the collective industry's apparent unwillingness to accept the fact that Nintendo has, in reality, not faded into irrelevance. This is evident in the fact that the bashing is mainly focused on the PS3, with a very dismissive view of Nintendo that seems to paint their downfall as a foregone conclusion without ever explaining why. Let's go over his worst offenses:

1. How can he say that focusing on innovation in gaming necessarily comes at the expense of online gaming, let alone spin innovation as a bad thing?
2. He gave absolutely no reason as to why the Wii's "viability is running low", despite his own acknowledgement that the Wii reigns supreme, and that even the PS3's sales are stronger than the 360.
3. He claims the 360's overall game lineup is "much stronger" than the PS3, without naming a single example outside of Halo 3, dismissing Nintendo outright as "clinging to the value of its first-party titles".
4. This one's for the PS3, but somehow, he managed to say that Blu-Ray makes the PS3's online experience worse. Honestly, I don't know how he did that - even the worst trolls on gaming forums can't spin facts this far from reality.

Of course, I figure I'm preaching to the choir here, considering how many holes have already been poked in his piece of trash before this post. If his article was a door, it would be a screen door made of swiss cheese that was attacked by starving rats before it left the factory.



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He did it for the hitz....



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It's actually kind of sad that a fair chunk of video game players can only think of what makes a "good system" based on what they personally want. The idea of taking a step back and looking at Average Joe just doesn't seem to occur to them, or they just assume that mainstream gamers share their tastes somehow (even though mainstream gamers often consider the more popular 'core titles to be "too complex" and "murder simulators"). Maybe it's the sheer volume of titles released to fit the interests of hardcore gamers that causes their eyes to slide over the other 3/4ths of the shelf containing games that they can't comprehend how anybody would ever want to play them...



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The funny thing is, he quoted VGChartz, and yet fails to note the rate at which the Wii and X360 are selling! How can one win if they are behind AND their rate of increase is not the highest?



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Sky Render said:
It's actually kind of sad that a fair chunk of video game players can only think of what makes a "good system" based on what they personally want. The idea of taking a step back and looking at Average Joe just doesn't seem to occur to them, or they just assume that mainstream gamers share their tastes somehow (even though mainstream gamers often consider the more popular 'core titles to be "too complex" and "murder simulators"). Maybe it's the sheer volume of titles released to fit the interests of hardcore gamers that causes their eyes to slide over the other 3/4ths of the shelf containing games that they can't comprehend how anybody would ever want to play them...

 It's a sad fact that most human beings have a total lack of insight and cannot look at the "big picture". The masses is dumb or at least that's what I arrogantly believe in.



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I wanted you to know a few things before you insult someone else who is a bit older than you.I do understand things like video resolution quite well. I have been in the field of image analysis and processing since the first PC and I routinely perform highly advanced techniques like 5 dimensional microscopy. I personal own a D300 and a D3.I often lecture and serve as a Beta tester for imaging software and hardware. I have to understand resolution because I print digital images on a 44” wide printer. I’ve been playing computer games since Zork, video games since Pong. It’s not that I can’t master the controls as much as I hate them. Somehow fighting Nazi with a keyboard and a mouse, is to me tedious, a bit silly and very passive. 

The handpad type of controller is not the God-given final solution. It is a mostly analog kludge that reflected the state of the art in the RS232 era. I do not feel the Wiimote is the final answer either but I think it is the next generation in an evolutionary process.  These are my opinions and your mileage may differ but just because you are young, brilliant and full of testosterone, don’t assume that the way you and your generation do things is the only or best way. At one time a one button joystick was considered the end all and be all of gaming. I’m glad we’re not still using it. And if you don’t think that the complexity of control is making games inaccessible to a lot of people; new gamers, ex-gamers and people who want a more casual experience, I think you are very mistaken and that is why you don’t understand the Wii’s popularity, along with a lot of the industry.

 But please don’t ever quote Michael Pachter to me as the final word. He is rightfully considered an idiot by a by many in the industry and a least one executive claimed that doing the opposite of his recommendations was the best way to use him. He does not understand new innovations and I offer the following as proof. 

Pachter on the DS: “I can’t understand why two screens are required rather than a split screen.” He went on to say, “Everyone will produce at least one game on the DS in order to learn the mechanics, but if it launches with 12 games, it will look a lot like the N-Gage.” (The DS would launch with six.) "I think that PSP will be a category killer with older gamers.
Indeed, the lackluster specter of Nokia's poorly received game deck is already hanging over the DS. Doubts about its very concept are rampant. "I can't understand why two screens are required rather than a split screen. If the device is a GBA SP with two screens, I don't think it will command much of a premium."

After skyrocketing sales proved him wrong he made the following admission of his confusion:
It shocked me, when [the NPD] said the numbers. I was shocked at what the sell-through was two months in a row. ... But I just... I don't know. I mean I was shocked that it sold essentially a million units in two months. So, that alone is responsible for my increase in forecasts on the DS,” (8)Some analyst: It’s selling very well so I’ll change my prediction to it will sell very well. Thank you Capt. Obvious.

Pachter on Online Gaming:“I don't think there are four million people in the world who really want to play online games every month. World of Warcraft is such an exception. I frankly think it's the buzz factor, and eventually it will come back to the mean, maybe a million subscribers. It may continue to grow in China but not in Europe or the U.S. We don't need the imaginary outlet to feel a sense of accomplishment here. It just doesn't work in the U.S. It just doesn't make any sense."

I could go on but in brief this visionary just ups his evaluation of the Wii’s potential for success in response to it already happening. Thanks again Capt Obvious. So somehow I think I will look for my advice from somewhere other than Wedbush Morgan Securities.As Far as bubble popping, just keep believing and move the event to the next big release or price cut or alignment of the stars. Forbes wrote a huge article, and many, including in this forum, confidently proclaimed that GTA IV would destroy the Wii yet in the face of record game sales, the Wii was setting world record console sales. GTA IV had no more effect than Halo3 but hey maybe next season, oops I mean next big release.

Someone here Said “if it’s not about GTA IV what is it about?” Who wouldn’t want GTA IV? How about the young who won’t be able to get it, most females, those that just find its content offensive, and a lot of people old enough to have gotten the adolescent fascination with violence out of their system. As part of my work, I have also had to photograph numerous autopsies and crime scenes and I can assure you that I don’t find mayhem at all amusing.So debate away, express your opinions, cling to whatever hopes you want to but try not to hold people in contempt because they are older than you. Odds are you’ll be here someday too.