the only game on that list that will gauranteed sell consoles is gears of war 2. the others are either unknown as to what will happen or are just too hardcore to sell systems.

bioshock and mass effect are prime examples. both mid 90 rated games, yet neither have shifted more than 2 million copies and didn't really drive console sales, relative to their install bases in each region. might i add that mass effect was released during the holiday season too. even uncharted benefited more from the holiday season. it is sub 90 rated with 7 million (at the time) less customers to sell to, but is only 300k behind in sales with mass effect according to vg chartz. gt5:p is only a 'demo', yet it sold/selling much faster than both me and bioshock, AND still with a smaller userbase, yet this game DID drive console sales. 360 games are too hardcore in my opinion. they're really good, but don't have that much appeal to shift consoles. with a couple exceptions of course.

For the same reason every 360 fan thinks the PS3 has no games. They are biased.

And Starcraft, that's not cherry picking. If you state something, and then based 20-30 lines of analyses on your statement, grabbing the statement is not cherry picking.

Saying something like you did, without taking into account that the 360 released, in your words, with the only complete version of the game and sells for less, is cherry picking, if you want to know what it really means.

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Starcraft, I think your math is pretty meaningless, as the situation varies a lot, and one might sell 400K above the other in the holiday season. I'll try to do it in a different way.

If you look at the total sales this far into 2008 Ps3 has sold 3280K consoles. X360 has sold 2463K. That means that Ps3 has sold about 33% more, or 1/3 more than X360.

Furhter more, the Ps3 has 57% of the market share between the 2 consoles.

Last year's sales for these two consoles were 7720K for Ps3 and 8191K for X360, or a total of 15911K. If we say that since both consoles are in a later year, where by earlier stats, X360 should peak and Ps3 be on its second best year, we should also add 20% to those sales to find the likely full sales for this year. That's 19000K, or 19M.

 If we assume that the Ps3's momentum will have a fairly big increase and jump to 60%, it will sell 11.4M this year, whereas the 360 will sell 7.6M.

Now, the Ps3 has already sold 3280K this year, meaning it still has left about 8.1M in sales. The 360 has sold 2463K, meaning it has 5.2M left in sales.

My prediction says; Ps3 will not be able to half the gap between Ps3 and X360 this year, it won't even be close.

Now, the following is very briefly done.

2009 should be the year where X360 drops a bit, and Ps3 peaks. The total sales should be around 18M now, but let's say 20M, as that makes it a lot easier for me.

As the 360 has dropped a bit, it should see 35% market share against the PS3. This means Ps3 will have 65%, or sell close to the double of the 360.

Sales will then be at 13M for Ps3 and 7M for X360, making the Ps3 end about 2M in front of the 360 after 09. This is close to the best case scenario I can think of for the Ps3, as I see their market share being a bit lower both years, and thus also X360's a bit higher.

Starcraft is on his own to beat the 360 drum. To bad Starcraft, the PS3 will be in front of the 360 by February 2009.