Call me old-fasion, but I think the fact you are comparing under 5 million install base with over 11 million installbase is somewhat "unfair"??

Also, I do believe there is another Nintendo first party beast released last week 2 days before GTAIV?

Disagree with you completely on these two "losses".

Mario Kart could hardly be said to have been whipped by GTAIV.  In the week GTAIV got released Mario Kart sold 1.2million in the US.  In any week that is an incredible amount of sales.  In GTAIV week that it an outstanding result.  It even almost outsold GTAIV PS3 and this is the biggest game PS3 will ever see (until GTAV but that will be so late in the console war as to be irrelevant).  Bear in mind that Mario Kart Wii will have amazing legs (MK DS is still coming up in top ten 2 years after release).  Nintendo never intended or expected that Mario Kart should outsell either version of GTAIV in week of release.  They just wanted to show they could get huge sales on one of their big games even with the huge hype that it GTAIV.  (Huge Win) 

Nintendo also never intended or expected to take away GTAIV hype.  That is just impossible.  Remember 360 outsold Wii in US the month Halo 3 was released and Nintendo still considered it a victory for them.  They released Mario Kart and shipped huge amounts of Wiis last week to show that even with the biggest HD game ever it could still outsell its competition in the Americas and no amount of HD hype could take away hype from Wii.  Not only did it outsell them it even outsold them combined.  (Absolutely resounding, massive Win) 

 Mario Kart series to Nintendo is what GTA series to Sony. Yes, Mario Kart at 1.2 is GREAT, but Nintendo chose the week of GTAIV to go on a direct competition with them, and in that aspect, it failed miserably.

Also, coming third to PS3 with only 4 million + installbase. and attachment of 28% in first week. THAT is huge. Something Mario Kart's 10% attachment ratio couldn't match.

Sure, you can twist it any way you want and still call it victory. But the truth is. Nintendo wanted to go against the best of the best by pushing Mario Kart out on the same week, that did not payoff.  They are MUCH better off releasing the game 2 weeks from now and get all the hype they want in the media. All I'm hearing right now on the news is "GTAIV this, GTAIV that"... and somewhere in there "Wiifit"

My bad is Stockpiling, What I mean is the PR spin of low hardware sale between Sony & M$ between Jan to March 08, they said that they both are preparing for GTA IV (like Xbox 360 shortage...huh? Xbox 360 shortage? weird tho) this come back to my earlier talk...

They were creating more console, so they should sell more.... in the meanwhile.

They have lower user base, it means that they have more opportunity to be purchased... they should sell more..

What I have been talking is about M$ & Sony's hardware, not necessary related to T2's software copies, I am bashing both of them because I want them to have better sales and better strategies!

No,you are such a prejudice & bias guy, you don't even look at that article, Game Party is a title for Wii, what it represent is Bad game with Good sales...... and you don't even know what diversity of games DS got....

Name	Console	Publisher	Japan	America	Others	Total
	Nintendogs	Nintendo	1.69	6.93	9.60	18.22
	Pokemon Diamond / Pearl	Nintendo	5.68	4.96	3.97	14.61
	New Super Mario Bros	Nintendo	5.34	4.39	4.48	14.21
	Brain Training	Nintendo	3.91	2.81	6.08	12.80
	More Brain Training	Nintendo	5.03	2.08	3.84	10.95
	Mario Kart DS	Nintendo	3.16	3.62	3.65	10.43
	Animal Crossing: Wild World	Nintendo	4.82	1.92	2.56	9.30

those are the best selling titles on DS, they are not Party game okay? & they represent different type & genre, not just one type.

I am bashing for both Sony & M$ for not putting their effort enough and also query about the monopolization of the Wii, not just the bias fanboy talk.

We should look at the overall market, not just being a defense force, and think about what should they(S & M) do on regaining the market. TNintendo did reversed the market and expanded it, this is the fact you can't denied. Just look at the percentage of Wii, is already 45%

5.90M Japan
11.14M America
8.14M Others

25.17M

45.0%

0.60M Japan
11.72M America
6.26M Others

18.58M

33.2%

2.08M Japan
4.88M America
5.22M Others

12.18M

21.8%

macross said: kingofwale said: macross said: kingofwale said: macross said: kingofwale said: Easy there... You think Rockstar cares about defeating Wii? *T2 looks up the chats* GTAIV sold 1.3 million on a console with under 5 million installbase. While MarioKart sold 1.2 million on a console with over 11 million installbase. You think T2 will say "Oh damnit, we failed"???? Nintendo purposefully held back consoles last week. I don't remember anybody saying last week that PS360 defeated Wii in US.. why should there be a difference this week?   I mean hardware, both of the console doesn't sell so well compare to Wii.... Remember what did the PR of both Sony & M$ said, they were preparing for GTA IV... and now what? They were creating more console, so they should sell more.... They have lower user base, it means that they have more opportunity to be purchased... they should sell more.. T2 shouldn't care it, Sony & M$ should... You know what, I really think that people grap a Wii when they bought GTA IV, look at the attachment rate of SMG and SSBB....... When are we going to stop judging Wii's hardware sales as if it's some kind of consumer buying trend? I remember last week it was at 69K in NA and behind BOTH PS3 and 360, I don't remember anybody saying it was doomed? Wii will sell, at that price-point, almost as many as they can ship. The fact Nintendo shipped that many is no coincident. They wanted to push Mario Kart Wii, sell hardware AND kill off hypes of GTAIV.   So far.. they are only 1/3. Mario Kart got WHIPPED by both GTAIV versions. (lost) Wii sold as many as they can ship (won) GTAIV hype is bigger than ever (lost)   Next week, you will probably see Wii back to their bi-monthly low, while PS360 will be around over 100K again.   I am not bashing Wii......I am bashing Sony & M$, M'kay? Because of what? Because they don't put their effort enough...stockpilling for GTA IV was just bullshit..... & I've talked about the business model also + Recession + some stupid Box office & Gaming sales theory Nintendo reverse the market, what should Sony & M$ do to cover back the market again? If Wii continue to win the war, we are going to have more Mario xxx games again and other Never ending franchise, plus more stupid Game Party like game http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=25852&start=0 , they should be equivalent in the market, and it will create competition for making better games.   p/s: where is Project HAMMER? If they realease it earlier, maybe we will have it in SSBB Nintendo never reversed the market, they just brought over the DS's new gain ownership. Those who loves casual games, people who consider themselves "casual gamer". I don't understand the whole "stockpilling for GTAIV"... you'd think selling close to 4 million copies as "stockpile", on top of that, having enough console to ensure everyone who walks into the door the change to secure one. Funny.. I remember DS is winning handheld war with "more stupid Game Party like games" (to quote you), and yet PSP is still getting its own share of good games.   Let's face it, you can't stop Wii and casual gamer. As long as the trend of crappy mini-games don't come on my console, I could really care less what the library of games look like in consoles I don't own.   P.S. I find it funny how anyone could think Mario Kart somehow defeated GTAIV... Is Wii beating PS360? Absolutely, It always have and always will in public demand category. My bad is Stockpiling, What I mean is the PR spin of low hardware sale between Sony & M$ between Jan to March 08, they said that they both are preparing for GTA IV (like Xbox 360 shortage...huh? Xbox 360 shortage? weird tho) this come back to my earlier talk... They were creating more console, so they should sell more.... in the meanwhile. They have lower user base, it means that they have more opportunity to be purchased... they should sell more.. What I have been talking is about M$ & Sony's hardware, not necessary related to T2's software copies, I am bashing both of them because I want them to have better sales and better strategies! No,you are such a prejudice & bias guy, you don't even look at that article, Game Party is a title for Wii, what it represent is Bad game with Good sales...... and you don't even know what diversity of games DS got.... Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Nintendogs Nintendo 1.69 6.93 9.60 18.22 Pokemon Diamond / Pearl Nintendo 5.68 4.96 3.97 14.61 New Super Mario Bros Nintendo 5.34 4.39 4.48 14.21 Brain Training Nintendo 3.91 2.81 6.08 12.80 More Brain Training Nintendo 5.03 2.08 3.84 10.95 Mario Kart DS Nintendo 3.16 3.62 3.65 10.43 Animal Crossing: Wild World Nintendo 4.82 1.92 2.56 9.30 those are the best selling titles on DS, they are not Party game okay? & they represent different type genre, not just one type. I am bashing for both Sony & M$ for not putting their effort enough and also query about the monopolization of the Wii, not just the bias fanbotytalk.

fixed.

Funny.. you are bashing Sony and Microsoft for NOT act exactly Nintendo?? heck, if they did, I wouldn't buy their console. :P, In fact, I cherish such differences or else I wouldn't be a gamer myself.

No idea what that chart is for.. unless you are trying to claim that " Game Party for Wii" is going to be the top seller? just like those DS titles?

Clearly you have NO idea what "monopoly" really is.. THIS is the perfect definition of monopoly, 3 companies controlling the entire industry???

They were creating more console, so they should sell more.... in the meanwhile. - This is for both Sony & Microsoft, Sony have continuously low sales with no big hit like Halo 3, Sony should have more console in production

They have lower user base, it means that they have more opportunity to be purchased... they should sell more.. - This is mainly for Sony.

For "Game Party", I am criticizing(satire) how a bad game can easily sell on Wii with a name and quality games don't sell.

For DS, I want to show you that it is not just party game and all of them got high review score, not like "Game Party"

Again.

We should look at the overall market, not just being a defense force, and think about what should they(S & M) do on regaining the market. Nintendo did reversed the market and expanded it, this is the fact you can't denied. Just look at the percentage of Wii, is already 45%

5.90M Japan
11.14M America
8.14M Others

25.17M

45.0%

0.60M Japan
11.72M America
6.26M Others

18.58M

33.2%

2.08M Japan
4.88M America
5.22M Others

12.18M

21.8%

macross said: They were creating more console, so they should sell more.... in the meanwhile. - This is for both Sony & Microsoft, Sony have continuously low sales with no big hit like Halo 3, Sony should have more console in production They have lower user base, it means that they have more opportunity to be purchased... they should sell more.. - This is mainly for Sony. For "Game Party", I am criticizing(satire) how a bad game can easily sell on Wii with a name and quality game don't sell. For DS, I want to show you that it is not just party game and all of them got high review score, not like "Game Party" Again. We should look at the overall market, not just being a defense force, and think about what should they(S & M) do on regaining the market. Nintendo did reversed the market and expanded it, this is the fact you can't denied. Just look at the percentage of Wii, is already 45%   5.90M Japan 11.14M America 8.14M Others 25.17M 45.0% 0.60M Japan 11.72M America 6.26M Others 18.58M 33.2% 2.08M Japan 4.88M America 5.22M Others 12.18M 21.8%

 how does having "lower userbase" translate to "more opportunity to purchase???? Look at year 3,4,5 for PS2 and compare that to xbox and GC, you will see that NO, lower userbase doesn't translate AT ALL to "more opportunity to purchase", in fact, it translated to "dying system that nobody wants"

 Frankly, I'm happy with the way Sony is going (I'm not a xbox owner, can't speak for them) As long as I get games I like in the system I own, I'm perfectly happy to let whatever they want "Game Party" or not, come out in another system I don't own

I can see that kingofwale is keeping up his crusade to prove that Mario Kart lost something this week, all the while ignoring that first week sales rarely mean much for Wii games. Legs are where it's at, you've been enough time on this site to notice that.

What on earth are you talking about saying that did not pay off?  Mario Kart Wii sold 1.2million.  That is huge.  Nintendo did not expect to outsell GTAIV first week.  They just didn't want all the sales this week to go to GTAIV.  But now it is very clear that Mario Kart Wii is going to outsell the biggest game PS3 is ever going to have.  That is a huge result for Nintendo when you consider the last GTA game on a Playstation console sold over 15 million. 

You also suggest Mario Kart should have been released two weeks from now.  That would put it too close to Wii Fit.  Also bear in mind the GTAIV hype won't last forever.  However, for years to come we are going to be talking about Mario Kart Wii.  That Mario Kart did not get huge hype in week of release is irrelevant as it will sell till Nintendo stops producing Wiis.  Same goes for Smash Bros. 

Bringing in attach ratios is irrelevant.  In analysing what is and what is not a victory for Nintendo you can hardly punish them by the fact that they are selling so many Wiis and Sony so few PS3s that PS3 is competing with Wii Play for which will sell more when before the start of the generation everyone expected PS3 to blow Wii sales away.  If at the end of this generation GTAIV sells to 50% of PS3 owners and Mario Kart to only 10% of Wii owners but Mario Kart still sells more are you going to suggest that is victory for PS3 over Wii. 

You say "you can twist it any way you want and still call it victory".  Actually I'm finding it very hard to find a way to twist it to call it anything other than a resounding victory.  Only the biggest Wii hater and or PS3/360 fan could find a way to look at Wii selling more than 360 and PS3 combined in the week the biggest HD game is released, Mario Kart selling 1.2 million that week and consider this as anything but victory for Nintendo. 

 Right back at ya.. Only the BIGGEST Wii fanboy can claim close to 4 million first week sales of GTAIV as somewhat a failure.

Nobody is claiming 1.2 million isn't good for Wii, but to dismiss what GTAIV did is just wrong.