What/Who can defeat Wii? GTA IV sales & more Wii???????

[tuoyo]

kingofwale said:

tuoyo said:

Wii's hardware sales as if it's some kind of consumer buying trend? I remember last week it was at 69K in NA and behind BOTH PS3 and 360, I don't remember anybody saying it was doomed? Wii will sell, at that price-point, almost as many as they can ship. The fact Nintendo shipped that many is no coincident. They wanted to push Mario Kart Wii, sell hardware AND kill off hypes of GTAIV.

 

So far.. they are only 1/3.

Mario Kart got WHIPPED by both GTAIV versions. (lost)
Wii sold as many as they can ship (won)
GTAIV hype is bigger than ever (lost)

 

Next week, you will probably see Wii back to their bi-monthly low, while PS360 will be around over 100K again.

 

Disagree with you completely on these two "losses".

Mario Kart could hardly be said to have been whipped by GTAIV. In the week GTAIV got released Mario Kart sold 1.2million in the US. In any week that is an incredible amount of sales. In GTAIV week that it an outstanding result. It even almost outsold GTAIV PS3 and this is the biggest game PS3 will ever see (until GTAV but that will be so late in the console war as to be irrelevant). Bear in mind that Mario Kart Wii will have amazing legs (MK DS is still coming up in top ten 2 years after release). Nintendo never intended or expected that Mario Kart should outsell either version of GTAIV in week of release. They just wanted to show they could get huge sales on one of their big games even with the huge hype that it GTAIV. (Huge Win)

Nintendo also never intended or expected to take away GTAIV hype. That is just impossible. Remember 360 outsold Wii in US the month Halo 3 was released and Nintendo still considered it a victory for them. They released Mario Kart and shipped huge amounts of Wiis last week to show that even with the biggest HD game ever it could still outsell its competition in the Americas and no amount of HD hype could take away hype from Wii. Not only did it outsell them it even outsold them combined. (Absolutely resounding, massive Win)

 Mario Kart series to Nintendo is what GTA series to Sony. Yes, Mario Kart at 1.2 is GREAT, but Nintendo chose the week of GTAIV to go on a direct competition with them, and in that aspect, it failed miserably.

Also, coming third to PS3 with only 4 million + installbase. and attachment of 28% in first week. THAT is huge. Something Mario Kart's 10% attachment ratio couldn't match.

 

Sure, you can twist it any way you want and still call it victory. But the truth is. Nintendo wanted to go against the best of the best by pushing Mario Kart out on the same week, that did not payoff.  They are MUCH better off releasing the game 2 weeks from now and get all the hype they want in the media. All I'm hearing right now on the news is "GTAIV this, GTAIV that"... and somewhere in there "Wiifit"

What on earth are you talking about saying that did not pay off?  Mario Kart Wii sold 1.2million.  That is huge.  Nintendo did not expect to outsell GTAIV first week.  They just didn't want all the sales this week to go to GTAIV.  But now it is very clear that Mario Kart Wii is going to outsell the biggest game PS3 is ever going to have.  That is a huge result for Nintendo when you consider the last GTA game on a Playstation console sold over 15 million. 

You also suggest Mario Kart should have been released two weeks from now.  That would put it too close to Wii Fit.  Also bear in mind the GTAIV hype won't last forever.  However, for years to come we are going to be talking about Mario Kart Wii.  That Mario Kart did not get huge hype in week of release is irrelevant as it will sell till Nintendo stops producing Wiis.  Same goes for Smash Bros. 

Bringing in attach ratios is irrelevant.  In analysing what is and what is not a victory for Nintendo you can hardly punish them by the fact that they are selling so many Wiis and Sony so few PS3s that PS3 is competing with Wii Play for which will sell more when before the start of the generation everyone expected PS3 to blow Wii sales away.  If at the end of this generation GTAIV sells to 50% of PS3 owners and Mario Kart to only 10% of Wii owners but Mario Kart still sells more are you going to suggest that is victory for PS3 over Wii. 

You say "you can twist it any way you want and still call it victory".  Actually I'm finding it very hard to find a way to twist it to call it anything other than a resounding victory.  Only the biggest Wii hater and or PS3/360 fan could find a way to look at Wii selling more than 360 and PS3 combined in the week the biggest HD game is released, Mario Kart selling 1.2 million that week and consider this as anything but victory for Nintendo.