What? Are you saying that the legal permit holders buy guns then sell them to criminals? Don't be rediculous. Please do a bit of research before spouting such an uninformed opinion. I did ask you to look up the stats about citizens who have the permits vs even off-duty police officers. The officers have a higher crime rate than the citizens. Please don't slander those people who have done and will do nothing wrong.

Read friend. Do you think that humanity is perfect? For every 10 people who don't misuse them, there might be 1 who will be willing? Enough money will get you anything in this world. If there are more guns being sold legally, there will be more access for people who want to obtain them.

Let's go with that 10:1 ratio for an example. 1,000 guns in the country, 100 guns in the wild being abused. 1,000,000 guns in the country, 100,000 guns being abused.

Do you understand what I mean yet? Yes, there will be decent people who have absolutely no intention of doing anything wrong with a gun, but there will always be a few who will, and more guns means more chance for them to do so.

If you don't agree - why do countries with less guns have a hell of a lot less gun crime per head than the USA? I'm interested in your theory.

Another one of these sensationalist "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?" - type arguments? Doesn't this ever get old?

Oh well. I guess there has to be at least one of these for every GTA game released.

And for the record - Global cooling is potentially a much more dangerous trend than global warming could ever be.

So my fix to this? Give everyone a gun (those who aren't mentally impaired, have criminal backgrounds, etc.) and teach them the importance of saftey and the deadly consequences of the gun. This will stop people from risking being shot by the person they are robbing. I would say that if you lived in America that you should put in your front yard a sign that says "Gun Free Zone Inside" and see if you get robbed, attacked, raped, etc. by the people who would not do that if there were a gun in the house.

Yes people can do evil things but the chance of death will usually outweigh the benefits of a theft. There was a town in Florida that gave every head of house a gun and training and the gun crime is so low there that guns are a problem.

So basically you believe 100% gun ownership would reduce crime, which might be reasonable if everyone could be relied upon.

And i'm saying 0% gun ownership would also reduce crime.

Now regardless of whether or not there was 100% or 0% gun ownership in the general public, the organised criminals would get their way to them somehow (unless guns were completely removed from the world, which is incredibly unlikely to happen). So I guess that will never go away.

I'll still stick with my viewpoint that the 0% gun uptake would be superior to the 100%, as living in fear is bull, the crime for regular citizens would be less as humans can be incredibly eratic at times, and the organised crime wouldn't go away. They'd just learn how to kill you in more efficient manners.

 I think you meant to quote me... but anywayz...

Yes, I believe that 100% gun ownership would be more beneficial than 0%. An armed populace can enforce what it believes in. A disarmed populace will either get bent over and ... well... or die trying to stand up for themselves. I believe that most Americans (I can't speak for other countries) are very reliable in a pinch. The Old West is looked upon as a very dangerous time, but really it was extremely safe as far as gun ownership was concerned. 

 BTW, who brought up organised crime...? I was talking your average run-of-the-mill criminal who has a gun. I would feel much safer if I owned a gun while walking around in unfriendly territory, than if I didn't own a gun in the same area.

My mother watches Glenn Beck. I leave the room every time he is on because all the bullshit he spews makes me nauseous.

Yes I did ;d. I'll agree to disagree with you on the whole 100% or 0% stuff, but why does the USA have more gun crime than anywhere else in the western world, per head? Is there something fundementally wrong with your society?

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

 Yup, it is a fundemental loss and now lacking of strong male presence in the home and in entertainment for kinds to look up to as role models. We have more people getting drugs and thinking that they are becoming sane with rittilin and prozac. We are drugging ourselves to death. We have a lack of leadership in our country and teh only people we can look to is ourselves and friends these days. The government is broken and willing to break the soul of America by over-taxation and over-regulation. We praise sluts and whores who parade as normal people. We are fascinated by people who use drugs to cope with an unhappy lifestyle and follow all their love interests. We are addicted to porn and belittling women and teaching girls the way to happiness and fun is to get naked as early as possible and have fun with boys.

So yes, there is something wrong with our society. It started during the great depression. It started with the Great Society. It started with government. 

@ninjabreadman
Found this nice little tidbit on a website called justfacts.com

Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.

In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim."

* In the early 1990's, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reported that 7% of armed career criminals obtain firearms from licensed gun shops. (3)

Right-To-Carry Laws

* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course. (13)

* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws. (14)

* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states. (3)

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated: "lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." (13)

* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them. (13)(15)

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:


Florida United States

homicide rate -36% -0.4%

firearm homicide rate-37% +15%

handgun homicide rate-41% +24%

(3)


* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. (15)

* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. (7)

* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life. (7)


So your 1:100 may be a little bit off. Also, I have lived my entire life around guns and know for a fact that there is nothing remotely similar to shooting guns in a game and shooting guns in real life, so the original post about the guy on TV is bull.