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luinil said:
NinjabreadMan said:
luinil said:

Mad nutters (as you call them) will not pass for the permit. I would rather protect myself than rely on some outside force. I don't own a gun, but I will probably go buy one within a year or two. Look up the crime stats for the people who legally own guns (citizens with permits). I think that they commit less crime that off-duty police officers. Gun laws (banning guns) simply punish the people who follow the law. Criminals will still have access to guns via the black market just like drugs are. /sigh I wish this weren't the case, but it is. We need to protect ourselves before the police can get there.


Since there are guns made available for legal permit holders, there will be people who will have it easier to obtain for those whose hands will misuse them.

To put it easier for you to understand, imagine country X had video games completely banned for the last 50 years, and country Y hadn't. Yes there would be more people in country Y who wouldn't pirate games and would enjoy them in a legal manner, but there damn well would be a larger market for pirate games than in county X since people know more about them, and like to experience them more.


 What? Are you saying that the legal permit holders buy guns then sell them to criminals? Don't be rediculous. Please do a bit of research before spouting such an uninformed opinion. I did ask you to look up the stats about citizens who have the permits vs even off-duty police officers. The officers have a higher crime rate than the citizens. Please don't slander those people who have done and will do nothing wrong.


Read friend. Do you think that humanity is perfect? For every 10 people who don't misuse them, there might be 1 who will be willing? Enough money will get you anything in this world. If there are more guns being sold legally, there will be more access for people who want to obtain them.

Let's go with that 10:1 ratio for an example. 1,000 guns in the country, 100 guns in the wild being abused. 1,000,000 guns in the country, 100,000 guns being abused.

Do you understand what I mean yet? Yes, there will be decent people who have absolutely no intention of doing anything wrong with a gun, but there will always be a few who will, and more guns means more chance for them to do so.

If you don't agree - why do countries with less guns have a hell of a lot less gun crime per head than the USA? I'm interested in your theory.



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