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GlingGling said:
How it Began

I've been visiting VG Chartz for about five months. I lurked for some time, then joined because I enjoy following the video game industry and I find the environment to be very fun. The forums are a huge part of what makes it fun because as soon as something happens there is commentary and discussion to make the news interactive.

With the recent release of many big titles there is an exceptionally high level of discussion. I've become accustomed to the Nintendomination threads and HDomination threads, and they are usually light enough to be amusing and fun to interact with.

Due to the release of GTA4 and Wii Fit primarily, the fanboyism present in the common thread/internet news story has become detrimental to the community, and potentially video games in general.

Industry Dichotomy

GTA4 and Wii Fit are two unprecedented products that appeal to a wide range of customers. The problem is they belong exclusively to two different groups of consoles, HD and Wii.

The Wii and HD consoles represent different facets of the video game industry. Personal opinion will put one above the other, the truth is they will both push video game technology and video game quality forward; both through innovation. Furthermore, their coexistence is vital to drive the market. See monopoly.

Humans interact with video games through input and output. We look at a screen to see our video game environment. It looks interesting to us so we give commands to keyboards, mice, motion sensors, pointers, and everything standard controllers provide, in order to control something in the on screen environment. What we see is that the two most important aspects of video game technology are graphics and player interface device(s). We also see there is a never ending relationship between the two.

The current generation of console technology is experiencing a new dynamic. The Wii's primary focus is on new higher bandwidth user input devices, while the HD consoles's primary focus is on improving graphics. For video games to move forward both need focus, and equally. It's a shame we can't experience the best of both worlds, but the market has not presented us with that option. On another hand developers are given a chance to focus their efforts into one area. Ignoring the need for innovation in either area, for any reason, is counterproductive to the future of video games.

Looking Forward

This brings us back to the current heavy hitters, the objects of adoration and disdain, GTA4 and Wii Fit. Both of these games offer unique experiences. And both of them achieve these new experiences in vastly different ways. They do have one thing in common, and it is the focal point of both, they are asking the player to interact with video games in a way they never have before.

GTA4 is asking you to interact with an environment that contains an unprecedented level of detail that allows a high level of immersion. Wii Fit takes Nintendo's plan further and asks the player to use their whole body to interact in a multitude of ways with feedback they've never had before. Both games bring the player closer to gaming and both games reach their potential by offering accessibility rarely seen in the industry. Developers have been presented with platforms that are rich with options, and they used them to innovate. We now have the products to show what's possible. Looking forward the industry looks promising.

Leaving Fanboyism Behind

Neither of these games represent the beginning or the end. There have been others and there will be more. But we're at an interesting place in the history of video games, where innovation is being pushed to the front of the scene. While the industry's current dichotomy puts gamers in an awkward position, it's also the reason we're seeing high levels of innovation from developers.

I'm trying to open eyes. I'm trying to remind people why we're here. We love video games. We want to grow old with them and maybe even have their babies (I'm talking about development). Innovation is an important step in moving forward. In this generation fanboyism works directly against innovation. I'm not telling people to not have preferences. There is a reason we root for the home team (Go Wizards!). But I'm never going to wish for and hope for the end of the other team. Especially when they're putting their heart into it and elevating my own performance. In an industry with only two teams (I'm lumping HD consoles), what motivation is there to play if the other team quits? Little to none. Innovation will slow, games will get worse, and the gamers (YOU!) will suffer.

I'll end with this recommendation: be a fan not a fanboy, support the industry, and celebrate innovation. It'll come back to you in a good way.

Excellent post, I totally agree with what you said. I think the most important thing to take away from this is that the Wii and HD gaming co-exist, I have now doubt that the HD consoles will have hardware sales this month, and equally have no doubts that wii hardware sales will also be high, they don't take away from each other but instead compliment each other, We have GTA in which gamers of old and new enjoy, and we have wiifit in which gamers of new and old enjoy, i don't see the problem, i think this generation will be the best and most remembered for a long time.



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"they don't take away from each other but instead compliment each other, We have GTA in which gamers of old and new enjoy, and we have wiifit in which gamers of new and old enjoy, i don't see the problem, i think this generation will be the best and most remembered for a long time."

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The Ghost of RubangB said:

1) First, I'd like to say I think you chose a great title for this: "HD vs. Wii: Fanboyism Run Rampant." It doesn't just describe the current discussion, but it describes most reviewers as well. They have all grown into their jobs over the last few gaming generations of traditional gaming and are now freaking out and their fanboyism towards traditional gaming is running rampant. It's like they're scared of praising a new idea because they think they'll lose their jobs or something, so they have to praise the shinier same-old HARDER THAN EVER BEFORE. To say that GTA4 is a better game than GTA3 is not a hard stretch. But to say that GTA4 is revolutionizing the industry more than GTA3 is just total bullshit.

2) I disagree with this comment: "The Wii and HD consoles represent different facets of the video game industry. Personal opinion will put one above the other, the truth is they will both push video game technology and video game quality forward; both through innovation."

Upping the pixel count is not innovation. It happens every single generation and is expected and required, and has never not happened. It's not innovative. It's a direct result of technological advancements. Every system will be faster, stronger, smarter, and prettier than the last. That doesn't make them different. Besides, the strongest one never wins. Ever.

I'd argue that most of the reviewers are actually giving more credit to games with new ideas than ever before. Every review I've ever seen counted Graphics, Sound, Playability etc into the score, yet Wii games get good reviews regardless of the 480p graphics. Unfortunately, the reviewers have given other recent games such high scores, it was nearly impossible to give GTA4 the score it deserved without giving it 100% or very close.

Upping the pixel count alone may not be innovation, but being able to create more immersive, realistic environments and still maintain frame rates and playability on hardware that's designed to be built for a price certainly is. Not every console this generation has upped the pixel count as expected.



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GlingGling said:

I'll end with this recommendation: be a fan not a fanboy, support the industry, and celebrate innovation. It'll come back to you in a good way.

 

this pretty much sums up what we ought to do as gamers. i made a thread like this as well :P

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=37163&start=0

down with fanboys! :D



Wow, you dug deep to find this one.

Still, I missed this the first time., so thanks for that. GhostofRubang already made most of the logical objections, and GlingGling acknowledged them.
I would add this one small cautionary note, though: while competition is good and necessary for any industry to evolve, there are times when it can become harmful, as when competition leads the market players to increasingly cater to a core demographic (comic books being the classic example). I know that completing this thought would likely hijack the thread, so I'll stop myself here (most of you know what I'm going to say anyways) and just say "good, well though out posts GlingGling, and don't get discouraged if not everyone agrees with your logic."



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I probably generally fall on the "HD" side of things. I have had more great gaming experiences on my Xbox 360 than on my Wii. But to be honest, I find that to be because of the artistry, gameplay and story in the games, rather than the fact that they are "HD." That said, I've had some great times on my Wii.

What I really dropped by to say is this. Despite being quite a good game (very good in fact) I wouldn't label GTAIV the standard-bearer of "HD" gaming, nor Wiifit the standard bearer of "non-HD" gaming. Better examples would be Halo 3/MGS4/Bioshock/Mass Effect and SMG/Twilight Princess/Brawl.



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Riot Of The Blood said:
The way I see it is I have the right to bash any console I want. No one is gooing to force me to like a console I don't just because it sells well.
Same here...

 

 



There is one thing you ought not to forget is that Wii isn't all about the new audience. It's about expanding the market. By expanding the market, there is still place for older franchises to thrive on the Wii. What a lot of HD fanboy fear is that the 3rd party companies supporting the HD platforms start moving their "hardcore" franchises on the Wii and trying to "casualize" them. So it's not all about a dichotomy but more about a fear of being left behind.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
I have 3 points.

1) First, I'd like to say I think you chose a great title for this: "HD vs. Wii: Fanboyism Run Rampant." It doesn't just describe the current discussion, but it describes most reviewers as well. They have all grown into their jobs over the last few gaming generations of traditional gaming and are now freaking out and their fanboyism towards traditional gaming is running rampant. It's like they're scared of praising a new idea because they think they'll lose their jobs or something, so they have to praise the shinier same-old HARDER THAN EVER BEFORE. To say that GTA4 is a better game than GTA3 is not a hard stretch. But to say that GTA4 is revolutionizing the industry more than GTA3 is just total bullshit.

2) I disagree with this comment: "The Wii and HD consoles represent different facets of the video game industry. Personal opinion will put one above the other, the truth is they will both push video game technology and video game quality forward; both through innovation."

Upping the pixel count is not innovation. It happens every single generation and is expected and required, and has never not happened. It's not innovative. It's a direct result of technological advancements. Every system will be faster, stronger, smarter, and prettier than the last. That doesn't make them different. Besides, the strongest one never wins. Ever.

3) We're not supposed to bump anything ever. If you really want to bump something, you gotta disguise it with a new idea or angle so you add something to the conversation. Empty bumps are frowned upon, and should be looked at by a doctor.

So you don't think that HD gaming innovates, or has the possibility to further gaming through new innovative games?



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