Good post, the arguing going on over this seems rather silly, but I guess it wouldn't be a discussion without it. I've honestly never really cared for the GTA games (doesn't mean I wont at least rent them) so I've generally been avoiding these threads. 

Anyway, I totally agree with your post and especially the DLC part. I see 'complete version' as just having some more content because of the DLC, not that a chunk of the main story will be removed from the PS3 and 360 versions and 360 owners gain the ability to actually finish the game. No, I think that's a stupid thing to think. Unless all DLC is exclusive to the 360, I highly doubt that the 360 will get the only DLC. There will be lots of people willing to buy content for this game, it would be stupid that this DLC, of which we really don't know much about, will be the only available option to get more playtime.

I'm sure that your logical post will be lost in the winds of the hot air flying around in these arguments, but great post none the less.

starcraft, go back to our old threads and stop ignoring them. starcrafts idea of the 360 only has the full expierence was from a quote from July 25th 2007 on some phony xbox site! real reliable.

Er.....it was Joystick.....

Wow. Just wow.

Edit:  Here you go, the original source is gamesradar.

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/grand-theft-auto-iv/news/no-exclusives-for-ps3-gta-iv/a-20070725111542242077/g-20060313153735796095

"They're identical games," Simon continued. "We're not hardware makers, and we're not like a pawn between these companies, we try not to be as much as we can. We make great games for people to enjoy on whichever system they want.

"But I guess if you want the complete experience with the episodes, then yeah, you should buy the 360, I suppose," Simon said.

FACT: IGN said the PS3 version had the edge.

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3."

FACT: IGN gave a perfect score to both because they deserved it, despise all the flaws.

"A 10 doesn't mean a game is perfect -- it means a game is pushing boundaries, expanding a genre, and doing many things to a level so far above and beyond its competitors that they overshadows any flaws. Certainly, GTA IV has some issues, the most noticeable being the occasional flaw in the cover system, but there are many more pieces of GTA IV that are better than anything I've seen from a game in the past decade. We don't give 10s often -- just to games that merit the score."

FACT: You're upset over this.

 B-b-b-but the DLC? Ach1v3mEnTs and Xb0x L1V3 ARGH!

Fact:  IGN said that they rated the games relative to their competition (which anyone with half a brain acknowledges including the opposing version) and gave each game the same score.

Fact: Rockstar says the complete experience can only be had on the Xbox 360.

 http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/grand-theft-auto-iv/news/no-exclusives-for-ps3-gta-iv/a-20070725111542242077/g-20060313153735796095

It's funny how some people say a game can't get a 10 as it is never perfect. And now the GTAIV on 360 gets a 10 and people now say a 10 doesn't mean it's perfect either.

Make your minds up.

The game's obviously not perfect from reading the review. IGN gave into the hype and gave it a perfect score to please internet fanboys I guess.

Oh internet fanboys.... Cool that it's a great game, but perfect score worthy? That'll be the big question for debate. Still, if you attack all the flaws of a game, it wouldn't be possible to get a high score like this anyway.

 My opinion is that there is no such thing as perfection in anything we do. Same for video games.

If there is a 10 point score rating, then it should be possible for a game to get a 10.

I feel that some games are worthy of a 9, and yet there are blatently other games that deserve much more. 

Yes, GTA IV's competitors, which is other games, not the opposing version. And why did you avoid the first Fact? ;)

I like how that link says no exclusives for PS3 when I found this:

http://www.n4g.com/News-129170.aspx

There is glare in the magazine pic, but Rockstar said it will provide episodic contents for both, but Microsoft has secured two exclusives episodic downloads.