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Chrkeller 12 hours ago
chakkra said:
BraLoD said:

I wrote that even by the release of the XBS it was already in a better position than when the XBO damaged the brand.

But it wasn't in as good of a position as the 360 left the brand, so yes, it did in fact contribute to what is happening now, as the brand was already weaker than it once was because of that.

As I said, regarding games, I think Gamepass coming to PC was a way bigger deal, it took some time but that became the main drive of people wanting a Xbox and they could get that on PC just as well.

How many subscribers do you think PC Gamepass has, to cause 20 million people to decide not to upgrade to Xbox Series?

Not sure what my point is, but i decided to pass on the xbox long before I went PC.  Meaning PC played no role in my disinterest in xbox.  Meanwhile I did get a ps5.  Immediately the ps5 had demon and ratchet.. the xbox had...  well nothing I cared about. 

I don't think PC is hurting xbox as much as xbox is just meh.  Infinite is OK.  Starfield is meh.  I guess yet another forza is good?  



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BraLoD 11 hours ago
chakkra said:
BraLoD said:

I wrote that even by the release of the XBS it was already in a better position than when the XBO damaged the brand.

But it wasn't in as good of a position as the 360 left the brand, so yes, it did in fact contribute to what is happening now, as the brand was already weaker than it once was because of that.

As I said, regarding games, I think Gamepass coming to PC was a way bigger deal, it took some time but that became the main drive of people wanting a Xbox and they could get that on PC just as well.

How many subscribers do you think PC Gamepass has, to cause 20 million people to decide not to upgrade to Xbox Series?

A lot of them choose the PS5 as well.

Gamepass is a more likely case to moving to PC rather than Xbox exclusives tho, IMO.



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chakkra 11 hours ago
BraLoD said:
chakkra said:

How many subscribers do you think PC Gamepass has, to cause 20 million people to decide not to upgrade to Xbox Series?

A lot of them choose the PS5 as well.

Gamepass is a more likely case to moving to PC rather than Xbox exclusives tho, IMO.

Err.. you're not answering my question. How many subscribers do you think there are on PC Gamepass? 10 million? 5 million?



Wman1996 11 hours ago
JackHandy said:

Nintendo does this, and look at how well things are going for them. It's not a bad thing. Well, for console gamers, anyway.

In all fairness, Switch (and now Switch 2) have more first-party titles people are willing to play and pay full price for. Nintendo's most ambitious games being high AA to low AAA if AAA is the big industry standard for production helps too in terms of profit and development time.

Sony has made so many similar games the PS5 generation. If you exclude MLB and PSVR2 games (which really aren't a crazy amount combined) their first-party output has been pretty small in variety and amount.

But I'm not ignoring history, PS4 took until at least 2016 and especially 2017 until the first-party titles that people really wanted to play came out frequently. 

Sony bet so much on cinematic games and GAAS that it is biting them in the butt in positive customer feedback. Still, they are making insane amounts of revenue and a lot of profit as well.

We'll have to see if it bites them when PS6 launches. Sony was riding so high with PS2 and look how PS3 started. 



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BraLoD 10 hours ago
chakkra said:
BraLoD said:

A lot of them choose the PS5 as well.

Gamepass is a more likely case to moving to PC rather than Xbox exclusives tho, IMO.

Err.. you're not answering my question. How many subscribers do you think there are on PC Gamepass? 10 million? 5 million?

Why do I need to answer that question?

I don't remember ever saying X ammount this Y ammount that, just that many reasons point to it and I don't think exclusives are the biggest, not even that Gamepass is the most relevant of them, just more relavant than Xbox exclusives.

From Gamepass over 35m+ subscribers I think most must be from PC, and it's actually still growing when the Xbox is pretty much not selling anymore, it grew by 10M in the last 2 or 3 years, when Xbox was burrying itself in the ground, who knows the specific splits from that growth, it is very likely happening because of PC tho, and prior Xbox users are very likely a decent part of it moving there.



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JackHandy 10 hours ago
Wman1996 said:
JackHandy said:

Nintendo does this, and look at how well things are going for them. It's not a bad thing. Well, for console gamers, anyway.

In all fairness, Switch (and now Switch 2) have more first-party titles people are willing to play and pay full price for. Nintendo's most ambitious games being high AA to low AAA if AAA is the big industry standard for production helps too in terms of profit and development time.

Sony has made so many similar games the PS5 generation. If you exclude MLB and PSVR2 games (which really aren't a crazy amount combined) their first-party output has been pretty small in variety and amount.

But I'm not ignoring history, PS4 took until at least 2016 and especially 2017 until the first-party titles that people really wanted to play came out frequently. 

Sony bet so much on cinematic games and GAAS that it is biting them in the butt in positive customer feedback. Still, they are making insane amounts of revenue and a lot of profit as well.

We'll have to see if it bites them when PS6 launches. Sony was riding so high with PS2 and look how PS3 started. 

I think this latest move hints at where they're headed. I think we're going to see exactly what you described (hard focus on making AAA, Uncharted-like exclusives again). Because if not, pulling out of PC would be incredibly stupid.



Kyuu 10 hours ago
BraLoD said:
chakkra said:

Err.. you're not answering my question. How many subscribers do you think there are on PC Gamepass? 10 million? 5 million?

Why do I need to answer that question?

I don't remember ever saying X ammount this Y ammount that, just that many reasons point to it and I don't think exclusives are the biggest, not even that Gamepass is the most relevant of them, just more relavant than Xbox exclusives.

From Gamepass over 35m+ subscribers I think most must be from PC, and it's actually still growing when the Xbox is pretty much not selling anymore, it grew by 10M in the last 2 or 3 years, when Xbox was burrying itself in the ground, who knows the specific splits from that growth, it is very likely happening because of PC tho, and prior Xbox users are very likely a decent part of it moving there.

The vast majority of GamePass users are on Xbox, and the "growth" is inflated by Microsoft deciding to repackage what was previously known as "Xbox Live Gold" to "GamePass Core" in September 2023. GamePass Core is Xbox exclusive, and is the minimum requirement for online multiplayer like PS+ Essential.



BraLoD 9 hours ago
Kyuu said:
BraLoD said:

Why do I need to answer that question?

I don't remember ever saying X ammount this Y ammount that, just that many reasons point to it and I don't think exclusives are the biggest, not even that Gamepass is the most relevant of them, just more relavant than Xbox exclusives.

From Gamepass over 35m+ subscribers I think most must be from PC, and it's actually still growing when the Xbox is pretty much not selling anymore, it grew by 10M in the last 2 or 3 years, when Xbox was burrying itself in the ground, who knows the specific splits from that growth, it is very likely happening because of PC tho, and prior Xbox users are very likely a decent part of it moving there.

The vast majority of GamePass users are on Xbox, and the "growth" is inflated by Microsoft deciding to repackage what was previously known as "Xbox Live Gold" to "GamePass Core" in September 2023. GamePass Core is Xbox exclusive, and is the minimum requirement for online multiplayer like PS+ Essential.

I don't really know.

Found this tho: https://icon-era.com/threads/game-pass-reportedly-has-over-15m-players-on-pc-10m-on-xbox-consoles.3081/

Edit - this too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/s/0Liaj6moG0



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Cerebralbore101 3 hours ago

Edit: Didn't see User was banned. Deleting post for now. 

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Cerebralbore101 3 hours ago
BraLoD said:
Kyuu said:

The vast majority of GamePass users are on Xbox, and the "growth" is inflated by Microsoft deciding to repackage what was previously known as "Xbox Live Gold" to "GamePass Core" in September 2023. GamePass Core is Xbox exclusive, and is the minimum requirement for online multiplayer like PS+ Essential.

I don't really know.

Found this tho: https://icon-era.com/threads/game-pass-reportedly-has-over-15m-players-on-pc-10m-on-xbox-consoles.3081/

Edit - this too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/s/0Liaj6moG0

Gamepass Core came out in September 2023. The Report your Reddit thread links to was published in May 2023. I do think that LinkedIn profile shows that Xbox at least had 25 million real Gamepass users at one point in time. I doubt they kept all those users after raising the price to $30, though. 

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