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Chrkeller said:
Darc Requiem said:

That's just a lie. I'm really sick of people saying this. They've been weeks away from nuclear weapons since I was 15 years old. I'm 46.

The sad truth of the matter is this. If it wasn't for my country, the CIA to be more specific, assassinating their democratically elected leader in 1951. We would not have the repressive regime that's in charge of the country. Unfortunately the US and UK thought getting good pricing on oil was more important the rights of Iranians. Instead we fund a nation that illegally developed a nuclear weapons program, thinks the Hannibal Directive is a good idea, and thinks double tap strikes are okay. A nation that thinks planting explosive devices on their targets, waiting for them to be surrounding by civilians, and then detonating the devices makes them the most "moral army' in the world.

@xl-klaudkil I'm not sure what you are on about. The consistent opinion is to be against Russia's attack on Ukraine and against Israel's constant terrorism against it's Palestinian population and regional neighbors. If you have an issue with Russian's assault on the Ukrainians and no issue with Israel's actions, you are just a hypocrite. Like my government for example. A government that has given weapons to Ukraine to help them fend off Russia's war of aggression, while also giving weapons to Israel's for their wars of aggression.

No it isnt and is a great example of anti US mentality.

Fact: power plants need 2 to 5% enriched U-235.

Fact: iran has over 400 kg of 60% enriched U-235.

Fact: enriched U-235 above 10%, much less above 50% has one purpose and one purpose only.

And a this information doesn't come from the US, it comes from an international recognized body, IAEA.

And this, for me, proves the point of this thread (and many others) being anti US.  

Iran absolutely, irrefutable and undeniably were buildinf nukes, full stop. 

As has been explained before, Iran kept the door open to a path to nukes, yet by fatwa were not allowed to actually pursue nukes or other WMD. Nuclear enrichment is allowed by the IAEA as well. It was monitored and negotiated over the maximum level. However Trump tore up the agreement and Israel attacked Iran last year making sure the IAEA would be expelled.

US/Israel got their wish now as the loophole in that fatwa was an existential crisis allowing the pursuit of nuclear devices. Thus Israel/US have removed the remaining obstacle for the IRGC to go ahead and start building dirty bombs and further enrich that U-235.

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/irfa/v4i2/f_0029607_23960.pdf

It is concluded that the commitment undertaken by Iran via the Fatwa, is, in some important respects, more comprehensive and more long-lasting than that Iran has undertaken under the NPT.

Fact: US/Israel activated the loophole (existential crisis) and murdered the Ayatollah standing in the way of the IRGC to make WMD.


This has nothing to do with anti-US mentality, stop playing the victim.



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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Sorry,you may ban me.but damn there is a LOT of USphobia and isrealiphobia on this site.

So much hatred.

ehh yes man, US is always the bad guy precisely hitting terrorist military ammunition camps with minimal civillians losses without occupying foreign land, and Russia is always the good guy turning whole cities into ruins with its civillians burried underneath while occupying land in most of its neighbors

US's first action in this war was double tapping an elementary school, killing 100s of little girls. They still attacking schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. 



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Protesters gathered in Washington, DC to demonstrate against recent US–Israel attacks on Iran, voicing anger over the escalating conflict in the Middle East. Demonstrators marched through the US capital carrying banners and chanting slogans calling for an immediate end to military action.

During the rally, some protesters criticized former President Donald Trump and US foreign policy, with one chant mocking Trump by claiming he “thought this was Venezuela.” The remark quickly spread across social media as footage from the protest circulated online.

Participants accused Washington of deepening the conflict and warned that continued strikes could trigger a wider regional war. Activists called for diplomacy and de-escalation instead of military intervention.

The protest reflects growing divisions within the United States over the expanding Middle East crisis and Washington’s role in supporting Israel amid rising tensions with Iran.

Police monitored the demonstration as protesters marched near key locations in the US capital. Organizers said the rally was intended to pressure policymakers to halt military operations and prioritize diplomatic solutions.



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Eagle367 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

ehh yes man, US is always the bad guy precisely hitting terrorist military ammunition camps with minimal civillians losses without occupying foreign land, and Russia is always the good guy turning whole cities into ruins with its civillians burried underneath while occupying land in most of its neighbors

US's first action in this war was double tapping an elementary school, killing 100s of little girls. They still attacking schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. 

Come on, that's just dishonest. Considering the school was apparently formerly a part of the nearby military base, this seems like a mistaken strike instead of a deliberate one. They should definitely have been more careful, but at least make a distinction between intentional and accidental cruelty. Russia is guilty of largely the former, whereas the US, as far as I know, is guilty of mostly the latter. The distinction doesn't really help the victims, but personally I think deliberately striking civilians is worse than accidentally striking them - which is bad as well.



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Zkuq said:
Eagle367 said:

US's first action in this war was double tapping an elementary school, killing 100s of little girls. They still attacking schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. 

Come on, that's just dishonest. Considering the school was apparently formerly a part of the nearby military base, this seems like a mistaken strike instead of a deliberate one. They should definitely have been more careful, but at least make a distinction between intentional and accidental cruelty. Russia is guilty of largely the former, whereas the US, as far as I know, is guilty of mostly the latter. The distinction doesn't really help the victims, but personally I think deliberately striking civilians is worse than accidentally striking them - which is bad as well.

If that is the case, it is just a baffling level of incompetence given that it had been a school for at least a decade...



Zkuq said:
Eagle367 said:

US's first action in this war was double tapping an elementary school, killing 100s of little girls. They still attacking schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure. 

Come on, that's just dishonest. Considering the school was apparently formerly a part of the nearby military base, this seems like a mistaken strike instead of a deliberate one. They should definitely have been more careful, but at least make a distinction between intentional and accidental cruelty. Russia is guilty of largely the former, whereas the US, as far as I know, is guilty of mostly the latter. The distinction doesn't really help the victims, but personally I think deliberately striking civilians is worse than accidentally striking them - which is bad as well.

yeah, the school was tragic accident, I don't think the US/Israel had aimed to waste their expensive missles in order to kill 100 little girls, besides, they depend on Iranian civillians to overthrow the Iranian government



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Zkuq said:

Come on, that's just dishonest. Considering the school was apparently formerly a part of the nearby military base, this seems like a mistaken strike instead of a deliberate one. They should definitely have been more careful, but at least make a distinction between intentional and accidental cruelty. Russia is guilty of largely the former, whereas the US, as far as I know, is guilty of mostly the latter. The distinction doesn't really help the victims, but personally I think deliberately striking civilians is worse than accidentally striking them - which is bad as well.

yeah, the school was tragic accident, I don't think the US/Israel had aimed to waste their expensive missles in order to kill 100 little girls, besides, they depend on Iranian civillians to overthrow the Iranian government

Accident or rather gross negligence, likely a result from using AI targeting, same way rockets got wasted on bombing "police park", just a park, no police.



It's a war crime regardless, failing to prevent civilian casualties.

  • Distinction: Parties must distinguish between combatants and civilians, and between military objectives and civilian objects.
  • Proportionality: Attacks are prohibited if they cause incidental loss of civilian life or damage to civilian objects that is excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
  • Precautions: Parties must take all feasible precautions to avoid or minimize incidental loss of civilian life, including giving effective advance warning of attacks when possible.

There was no warning, it was an illegal attack to begin with (under negotiations), failure to distinguish between combatants and civilians. There weren't even any combatants in the compound either since there was no formal declaration of war. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/05/world/middleeast/iran-school-us-strikes-naval-base.html



SvennoJ said:
Chrkeller said:

No it isnt and is a great example of anti US mentality.

Fact: power plants need 2 to 5% enriched U-235.

Fact: iran has over 400 kg of 60% enriched U-235.

Fact: enriched U-235 above 10%, much less above 50% has one purpose and one purpose only.

And a this information doesn't come from the US, it comes from an international recognized body, IAEA.

And this, for me, proves the point of this thread (and many others) being anti US.  

Iran absolutely, irrefutable and undeniably were buildinf nukes, full stop. 

As has been explained before, Iran kept the door open to a path to nukes, yet by fatwa were not allowed to actually pursue nukes or other WMD. Nuclear enrichment is allowed by the IAEA as well. It was monitored and negotiated over the maximum level. However Trump tore up the agreement and Israel attacked Iran last year making sure the IAEA would be expelled.

US/Israel got their wish now as the loophole in that fatwa was an existential crisis allowing the pursuit of nuclear devices. Thus Israel/US have removed the remaining obstacle for the IRGC to go ahead and start building dirty bombs and further enrich that U-235.

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/irfa/v4i2/f_0029607_23960.pdf

It is concluded that the commitment undertaken by Iran via the Fatwa, is, in some important respects, more comprehensive and more long-lasting than that Iran has undertaken under the NPT.

Fact: US/Israel activated the loophole (existential crisis) and murdered the Ayatollah standing in the way of the IRGC to make WMD.


This has nothing to do with anti-US mentality, stop playing the victim.

Bunch of white washing BS.  IAEA at one point detected 83% enriched U-235.

Iran was flatly developing nukes, but everyone in this thread wants the US to be the only bad stakeholder.  So be it, not worth my time tbh.

EU didnt sanction Iran less than 6 months ago because the US is bad and Iran was a victim.



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Chrkeller said:
SvennoJ said:

As has been explained before, Iran kept the door open to a path to nukes, yet by fatwa were not allowed to actually pursue nukes or other WMD. Nuclear enrichment is allowed by the IAEA as well. It was monitored and negotiated over the maximum level. However Trump tore up the agreement and Israel attacked Iran last year making sure the IAEA would be expelled.

US/Israel got their wish now as the loophole in that fatwa was an existential crisis allowing the pursuit of nuclear devices. Thus Israel/US have removed the remaining obstacle for the IRGC to go ahead and start building dirty bombs and further enrich that U-235.

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/journals/irfa/v4i2/f_0029607_23960.pdf

It is concluded that the commitment undertaken by Iran via the Fatwa, is, in some important respects, more comprehensive and more long-lasting than that Iran has undertaken under the NPT.

Fact: US/Israel activated the loophole (existential crisis) and murdered the Ayatollah standing in the way of the IRGC to make WMD.


This has nothing to do with anti-US mentality, stop playing the victim.

Bunch of white washing BS.  IAEA at one point detected 83% enriched U-235.

Iran was flatly developing nukes, but everyone in this thread wants the US to be the only bad stakeholder.  So be it, not worth my time tbh.

EU didnt sanction Iran less than 6 months ago because the US is bad and Iran was a victim.

It's indeed pointless arguing with you, you have made up your mind based on years of propaganda.

In February 2023, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors detected uranium particles enriched up to 83.7% at Iran’s underground Fordo nuclear site. While near the 90% weapons-grade threshold, the IAEA found this likely represented unintended fluctuations in the enrichment process rather than a stockpile buildup, though it marked a significant escalation.

That's 2.5 years before Israel decided to attack Iran in the June 12 day war, begging Trump to bunker bust Iran's nuclear facilities.

If Iran was developing nukes, where are they? 
Same as Iraq's WMD, oops can't find them.