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Tober said:
Barozi said:

Just like with fossil fuels you will hear about the finding of new deposits every couple of months.

Just recently they found 43 million tons of Lithium carbonate equivalent in Germany. That's enough Lithium for around 1bn car batteries. Far from the biggest deposit.

Also you can already recylce nearly all metals in car batteries, so there won't be a shortage really.

Very true. Located in the Swarzwald. The oldest natural forest in Europe. To get it, you just have to get rid of that forest. Happy times.....

Glad I looked this up, not...

Lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery pollution stems from toxic metals (cobalt, nickel) leaching from landfills, hazardous electrolyte chemicals (PFAS, solvents) released during disposal or fires, and significant water/land use/pollution from mining, creating soil/water contamination, air pollutants (PM, VOCs), and microplastics, despite recycling efforts being crucial but often inefficient due to cost and immature technology.

Improper disposal leads to leachate contaminating soil and water, while recycling processes themselves can generate harmful ash, slag, and emissions, posing risks to ecosystems and human health.

There indeed is no shortage in the ways we can pollute ourselves :/


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SvennoJ said:
Tober said:

Very true. Located in the Swarzwald. The oldest natural forest in Europe. To get it, you just have to get rid of that forest. Happy times.....

Glad I looked this up, not...

Lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery pollution stems from toxic metals (cobalt, nickel) leaching from landfills, hazardous electrolyte chemicals (PFAS, solvents) released during disposal or fires, and significant water/land use/pollution from mining, creating soil/water contamination, air pollutants (PM, VOCs), and microplastics, despite recycling efforts being crucial but often inefficient due to cost and immature technology.

Improper disposal leads to leachate contaminating soil and water, while recycling processes themselves can generate harmful ash, slag, and emissions, posing risks to ecosystems and human health.

There indeed is no shortage in the ways we can pollute ourselves :/

You did not even care to look up the statement my comment was addressing. That there is a large deposit on Lithium in Germany.......And what that means...

There is no 'Not'. My statement is correct. Prove me otherwise on the statement I made, not on a statement you think I made.



Tober said:
SvennoJ said:

Glad I looked this up, not...

Lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery pollution stems from toxic metals (cobalt, nickel) leaching from landfills, hazardous electrolyte chemicals (PFAS, solvents) released during disposal or fires, and significant water/land use/pollution from mining, creating soil/water contamination, air pollutants (PM, VOCs), and microplastics, despite recycling efforts being crucial but often inefficient due to cost and immature technology.

Improper disposal leads to leachate contaminating soil and water, while recycling processes themselves can generate harmful ash, slag, and emissions, posing risks to ecosystems and human health.

There indeed is no shortage in the ways we can pollute ourselves :/

You did not even care to look up the statement my comment was addressing. That there is a large deposit on Lithium in Germany.......And what that means...

There is no 'Not'. My statement is correct. Prove me otherwise on the statement I made, not on a statement you think I made.

Sorry, I meant I'm not glad I looked up Lithium-ion recycling.

So not alone dig up an old forest, introduce more pollution as well. Replace one type of pollution for another while destroying the land further.




Tober said:
Barozi said:

Just like with fossil fuels you will hear about the finding of new deposits every couple of months.

Just recently they found 43 million tons of Lithium carbonate equivalent in Germany. That's enough Lithium for around 1bn car batteries. Far from the biggest deposit.

Also you can already recylce nearly all metals in car batteries, so there won't be a shortage really.

Very true. Located in the Swarzwald. The oldest natural forest in Europe. To get it, you just have to get rid of that forest. Happy times.....

Lol since when is the Schwarzwald located in Saxony-Anhalt?

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/lithium-deposit-found-in-germany



Barozi said:
Tober said:

Very true. Located in the Swarzwald. The oldest natural forest in Europe. To get it, you just have to get rid of that forest. Happy times.....

Lol since when is the Schwarzwald located in Saxony-Anhalt?

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/lithium-deposit-found-in-germany

Nature suffers anyway

The Altmark is a historic, sparsely populated region in northern Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, known as the "Cradle of Prussia," rich in medieval history with Hanseatic towns like Stendal and Salzwedel, beautiful half-timbered houses, numerous cycling paths (Elbe Cycle Route), and natural areas like the Drömling biosphere, offering a quiet escape with deep cultural roots and recent lithium extraction potential.


https://www.niedersachsen-tourism.com/poi/unesco-biosphaerenreservat-droemling

The Drömling Biosphere Reserve is a unique, protected wetland landscape straddling the border of Lower Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, recognized by UNESCO for balancing biodiversity conservation with sustainable human use, featuring a "land of a thousand ditches," rare water birds, and a rich mix of natural and cultural heritage shaped by water management. It's a vital refuge for endangered species, a place of ecological importance with rich plant/insect life, and an area for sustainable farming and tourism, representing a successful reunification of a historically divided landscape.



That's a Lithium mine in Africa


Here locally they're digging up the wetlands, forest and remaining 'wilderness' aroudn the Grand River for sand and gravel :/ And while at first promising to rehabilitate the area, now they're building distribution centers and houses on it...

Actually, open pit mining shouldn't happen, direct lithium extraction is proposed for the area. So more like this.



Better in many ways but still has plenty issues
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-022-00387-5

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SvennoJ said:
Barozi said:

Lol since when is the Schwarzwald located in Saxony-Anhalt?

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/lithium-deposit-found-in-germany

Nature suffers anyway

The Altmark is a historic, sparsely populated region in northern Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, known as the "Cradle of Prussia," rich in medieval history with Hanseatic towns like Stendal and Salzwedel, beautiful half-timbered houses, numerous cycling paths (Elbe Cycle Route), and natural areas like the Drömling biosphere, offering a quiet escape with deep cultural roots and recent lithium extraction potential.


https://www.niedersachsen-tourism.com/poi/unesco-biosphaerenreservat-droemling

The Drömling Biosphere Reserve is a unique, protected wetland landscape straddling the border of Lower Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, recognized by UNESCO for balancing biodiversity conservation with sustainable human use, featuring a "land of a thousand ditches," rare water birds, and a rich mix of natural and cultural heritage shaped by water management. It's a vital refuge for endangered species, a place of ecological importance with rich plant/insect life, and an area for sustainable farming and tourism, representing a successful reunification of a historically divided landscape.



That's a Lithium mine in Africa


Here locally they're digging up the wetlands, forest and remaining 'wilderness' aroudn the Grand River for sand and gravel :/ And while at first promising to rehabilitate the area, now they're building distribution centers and houses on it...

Actually, open pit mining shouldn't happen, direct lithium extraction is proposed for the area. So more like this.



Better in many ways but still has plenty issues
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-022-00387-5

Nature always suffers when humans do anything so that's kinda obvious.

The Altmark is not a very special region in Germany in terms of landscape, there are lots like it. However it also contains a big natural gas field where production already started in 1969, so it's not like a facility to extract Lithium would ruin the untouched nature in that region.



Don't be scared for something you can't control and try to focus on your life. Anxiety works like this.

I'm really anxious too and I think about our future all of the time and it makes me panic.



Barozi said:

Nature always suffers when humans do anything so that's kinda obvious.

The Altmark is not a very special region in Germany in terms of landscape, there are lots like it. However it also contains a big natural gas field where production already started in 1969, so it's not like a facility to extract Lithium would ruin the untouched nature in that region.

Yeah much better than oil sands mining, this is in Alberta



https://www.nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/articles/law/hot-topics-in-law/2025/the_consequences_of_canada_s_climate_backslide

The federal government’s recent memorandum of understanding with Alberta included a deal to build a new crude oil pipeline, suspend clean electricity regulations in the province, and scrap the cap on oil and gas emissions. 

This comes after a slew of policies that reverse Canada’s previous climate commitments, including the consumer carbon price, anti-greenwashing legislation, and measures aimed at supporting household electrification, such as the Canada Greener Homes Loan Program. 

The MOU states that Canada and Alberta remain committed to achieving net zero by 2050, while also improving consumer affordability, economic competitiveness and long-term competitive certainty. However, advocates say the agreement has far-reaching implications for Canada’s climate future. 

“The government seems to be taking out a mortgage on future generations to pay for the crisis today,” says David Wright, an associate professor at the University of Calgary’s Faculty of Law. 

“It seems like the economy is taking significant priority over the environment.”

Athabasca oil sands:



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/08/canada-environment-new-oil-pipeline

Ottawa signed a new Memorandum of Understanding with Alberta to support a new oil sands pipeline that would facilitate increased production of fossil fuels. The deal would delay methane regulations, cancel an oil and gas emissions cap and exempt the province from clean electricity rules. All this comes as leaders are lifting environmental-assessment requirements for major projects, preparing to weaken greenwashing laws and suspending Canada’s electric vehicle sales mandate. The MP Steven Guilbeault resigned from Mark Carney’s cabinet rather than defend the retreat.


I guess we have too much of untouched nature to keep hands off :/



bdbdbd said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

By globe capital you mean the US Democrats? And Trump pushing land to Putin mass criminal is a step in the right direction? Can't see the logic.
All Trump wants is to break up Europe into the small states his country can control with ease, and so does Putin. I really don't see how any of this helps countries regain their self-reliance. Brexit has proven to be a disaster so far.

The world is too connected to the US giants now, the only way to break free (unless you are Russia or China) is for each country to develop its own sattellite(s) and digital giants to provide the services. Small countries are too small to do it on their own, which is why the EU is useful for European countries breaking free from the US.

The way things are going, AI growth will only increase reliance on the US. At least that is how I see things.

I mean the rich who own basically everything in the world. Mostly they are investment companies like Blackrock, but money moving from one country to another without barriers is just making the rich richer and the people poorer. In 1970's we still had tariffs and different currencies that balanced each other, protectionism to secure people's jobs. 

I don't think AI is going to make others more reliant on US. Maybe they have (due to more loose legislation) a bit of headstart in AI race. 

I get ya man, it was far much easier for local bussinesses to prosper back then, until the giant chains started to spread - mainly from the US. Local businesses started to close, giant chains spread wiht their cheaper offerings in many sectors, local owners and staff slowly turned into underpaid staff working for the giants, and with the digital boom it only got worse and worse.

Things were far simpler back then... not sure if it's even possible to go back. Maybe AI can help smaller businesses develop their accessibility and quallity, but we need some made in Europe AI models, otherwise the US will keep its influence. I hope you are right that it's just a headstart in the race.

I believe the EU is the best way for us to keep the giants in control - instead of them controlling us. But I also prefer a right oriented EU, something like Italy's Meloni which in my opinion is the best of both words. We can have it all, democracy, human rights, traditional values and preserving each country's identity while at the same time having a global presence in order for smaller European countries to be able to shape their own destiny and interests, in a world of giants.



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^