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SvennoJ said:
CaptainExplosion said:

How can I relax when Canada could be invaded by a legion of idiots?

Trump is still a businessman first plus Carney sucks up to Trump. And Canada's resources take a lot of capital to exploit.

In other words, there is no short term profit in invading Canada.

Greenland still has some strategic relevance and is far easier to take. Get worried after Trump annexes Greenland. Which I doubt he'll be dumb enough to carry through, but I didn't expect him to actually abduct Maduro :/

Venezuela just proves he's willing to do anything for his own fragile ego, even if it means starting World War III. Never underestimate amoral idiots, that's how so much of Europe ended up occupied by Nazi Germany.



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Holy cow. Even Cuba admits it lost 32 of their best guys.



Vinther1991 said:
BFR said:

Isn't 5% the new goal? I'm not sure what is going on these days.

Yes, or 3.5 % in direct defence spending and 1.5 % for other security challenges, but the countries are not supposed to meet that before 2035. The US also doesn't meet it yet.

I thought the US was exempt from meeting that goal, mostly because they have a solid defense unlike most other NATO members



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Qwark said:
Vinther1991 said:

Yes, or 3.5 % in direct defence spending and 1.5 % for other security challenges, but the countries are not supposed to meet that before 2035. The US also doesn't meet it yet.

I thought the US was exempt from meeting that goal, mostly because they have a solid defense unlike most other NATO members

No, only Spain is exempt from the goal. 



CaptainExplosion said:
SvennoJ said:

Trump is still a businessman first plus Carney sucks up to Trump. And Canada's resources take a lot of capital to exploit.

In other words, there is no short term profit in invading Canada.

Greenland still has some strategic relevance and is far easier to take. Get worried after Trump annexes Greenland. Which I doubt he'll be dumb enough to carry through, but I didn't expect him to actually abduct Maduro :/

Venezuela just proves he's willing to do anything for his own fragile ego, even if it means starting World War III. Never underestimate amoral idiots, that's how so much of Europe ended up occupied by Nazi Germany.

Venezuela is a very different situation from Canada though. This 'regime change' has been in the works for many years with many factors having driven it this far. The people behind overthrowing Venezuela found Trump willing to actually do it.

And follow the money:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/paul-singer-venezuela

Paul Singer is also a big supporter of Israel, staunch Zionist, while Maduro signed onto the ICJ genocide case against Israel and has been openly very anti-Zionist. Next to mocking Trump. 

So we have the Venezuelan oil, billionaires have been drooling over for decades, a dictator that has been in power since 2013 who has become a liability to the US and Israel and Trump looking for an easy win and another price for his ego. There have been many wealthy Venezuelans from Florida supporting this coup with Machado leading the push, dedicating her Nobel 'peace' price to Trump. (Meanwhile Machado has little popular support in Venezuela)

Yeah his ego might want Canada, but there is little traction among MAGA to actually go invade Canada. MAGA is split already over Venezuela.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5673779-conservative-concerns-trump-venezuela/

Plus he isn't really anywhere yet with Venezuela, regime change hasn't happened yet and the country is now uniting behind getting Maduro back...
(mainstream news will have you believing otherwise, they're talking to those that fled the country)


Yeah Trump could take Carney, then what.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/american-invasion-of-canada-would-spark-decades-long-insurgency-expert-predicts/

Canadians already 'rally behind the flag' from Trump's threats alone. The conservatives lost a 30 point lead because of Trump, tourism to the US is way down, Canadians are boycotting US products.

Trump would have to occupy Canada with boots on the ground, let's first see what happens next with Venezuela. Canada is over 10x the size of Venezuela as well. Trump sees what Putin trying to take Ukraine is costing Russia, Canadians will fight back as well. 

Venezuela will show him countries don't just roll over.



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Thanks to trump:

All others countries surrendered and will ask 15% of their multinationals (if they already didn't) this is a big + for USA and its multinationals and will make USA place 1 to invest.






konnichiwa said:

Thanks to trump:

All others countries surrendered and will ask 15% of their multinationals (if they already didn't) this is a big + for USA and its multinationals and will make USA place 1 to invest.

Arguably it's a great move from Trump though for USA. His whole slogan is America first, so this is at least in line of what to expect from a Republican President.



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SvennoJ said:
CaptainExplosion said:

How can I relax when Canada could be invaded by a legion of idiots?

Trump is still a businessman first plus Carney sucks up to Trump. And Canada's resources take a lot of capital to exploit.

In other words, there is no short term profit in invading Canada.

Greenland still has some strategic relevance and is far easier to take. Get worried after Trump annexes Greenland. Which I doubt he'll be dumb enough to carry through, but I didn't expect him to actually abduct Maduro :/

Biden didn't think Trump would go after Maduro either.



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SvennoJ said:
BFR said:

Isn't 5% the new goal? I'm not sure what is going on these days.

Yeah it is, since last June's Nato Summit. 

Deadline to meet that is 2035 though with a review scheduled for 2029.

This is because they're going to need their military and defense beefed up like this if the USA isn't there defending them in the future for whatever reason. Like if the USA makes moves that cause the EU to want to distance itself from America.



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Qwark said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't disagree, if the USA didn't conduct themselves decently at first, like by making a widely acceptable offer.

But what do you think is going to happen to the EU if it tells the USA to take a hike for taking Greenland? The USA will do exactly that, where it can, especially when it comes to EU defense, and then what? You think Putin and others are going to just sit back and let the EU remain as is, in peace?

I don't think the EU would be foolish enough to react that way at this time, and I think they'd be more than smart enough to realize Canada was next on the chopping block. Not that Canada is part of the EU, but it would be another lost ally, soon enough.

Europe is not as strong as most would want and can't project power we'll far beyond their borders. But Europe is not as weak as US thinks. Sure European countries are weak compared to US. Besides after US takes Danish soil they are more of a liability than an asset to have in Europe. Maybe they want Netherlands next for ASML.

Military wise Europe still has around 2.000.000 active troops and after the US by far the most advanced military gear. Lately France exports more weapons than Russia, so Industrial weapon capacity is not as bad as some think. Europe lacks in strategic long range weapons, but Sint Petersburg and Moscow are not that far from Finland, so in a defensive war with Russia that's not as much of a downside than other conflicts. When waging war with China that is another story.

After Ukraine Russia couldn't invade Europe if it wanted too, or it could say goodbye to it's second largest city. They struggle a lot in Ukraine at this moment with little support, mostly the military support is outdated equipment. The best Russia could do is maybe take the Baltics, at the direct cost of Kalingrad and Sint Petersburg. Nukes are out of the question because French and British forces can throw them as well.

Putin is already conducting hybrid warfare against EU and US is fine with that. US would lose a lot of strategic power if they lose European bases. They also lose access to the artic via Iceland, Finland and Norway. Also US lacks the ice cutters to dominate that area and Finland is building them.

Canada is defenceless against US, if US wants it nobody could stop them.

I wasn't saying the EU is totally screwed without the USA. The EU would need to beef up their military further and be prepared to fight more because Putin/Russia and others are no doubt going to plan to aim at the EU in the future in a world where America isn't heavily allied with them anymore.

I also wouldn't assume Putin would try some all out war with the EU. He/Russia, with the help of others, very well might keep chipping away at the Eastern portion of the EU if America (and Canada) isn't there to back them up.

And ya, if the USA really wants Canada it won't be much of a fight, especially if they have Greenland. Their navy could easily blockade all coming and going ship traffic which would put us in a considerable bind. Then all they have to do is blockade the land border and that's that. Easier said than done since we trade so much with them, but still totally doable if they're willing to do what's necessary to achieve that goal.



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