No, I meant "shut up".

This thread has a better storyline than most Disney movies.

Great take, I agree with this. The main issue I have with modern productions is that they're not organic; plot devices and dialogue, and entire characters, are there simply because someone wants them to be there. Self-inserts, overly narrow messaging, productions that end up as vessels for the creator's own sensibilities and opinions, anachronistic language or traits in fantasy settings etc. to appear inclusive. It all boils down to the same issue - writers have forgotten that part of a proper creative process is decoupling yourself from the work itself and letting it become its own entity. You breathe life into the creation, but let it stretch its legs and arms and explore on its own, it will take you where it should be - not where you feel that you need it to be. 

Great characterization and writing transcends (pun somewhat intended) gender, sexuality, or portrayed convictions. It speaks to something universal, something we can gather around and share, at least some, takes and understanding on and around. For instance, I think the vast majority of readers would agree that the society and outlooks portrayed in "1984" is undesirable at almost any cost and in any form, regardless of where one stands on the political spectrum. 

"Things were better before" is a saying with at least a grain of truth to it, storytelling needs to go back to basics. Organic settings, characters, and situations unfolding and developing in natural sequence and arcs - not in a predetermined direction set only because the writer needs it to for personal reasons. Expressions, outlooks, descriptions, all these things change with time, and that's good and welcome, but there needs to be some form of principal rule underneath. Otherwise, almost all works become a form of lecture, autobiography, or utopian pining disguises as entertainment. 

I started writing at around age fifteen, and wasn't very good, on a technical level at least. I had these scenes, characters, and cool sequences in my mind, and ended up throwing myself headlong into narration with the express purpose of just showing off these ideas and moments. I ended up constructing everything around these concepts, with the results being piss-poor. In my later years, I've flipped the process, deciding on a theme and setting first, and then populating it based on various factors (culture, climate etc.) - with the overall theme in mind, of course. What happens is that characters are where they are because it makes sense in the setting and situation, what they say to each other makes sense in the moment and given the circumstances. And, most importantly; how I feel about any of the above has less effect. The whole process improved further when I dialed in on a hybrid plotter/pantser structure for my stories (I tend to overthink and over-plan things). 

The fuck are you even talking about? Disney are the ones crying for attention, not us.

It's amazing that men were told our opinions weren't welcome, we simply moved on and found other things to spend our time and money on, yet somehow we still get lectured about how we wronged this multi-billion corporate brand.

The problem is trying to force everything to be appreciated by everyone. It is impossible and often results in a product nobody loves.
Diversity between movies instead of within the same movie.

They don't want to make movies for everyone. They want to make movies for themselves and they expect men to pay for it. Just like the WNBA.

The delusion and arrogance from these brands and their defenders is honestly mind-boggling.

Always belittle and ignore and lecture and name call.

cant be bother to argue.

Watch this instead:

"How Star Wars Turned Against Men"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXEqx5yUoAk

anyways your talking points are meaningless.
Money talks and BS walks (your going way off topic btw, what your commenting isnt even what the thread is about)

Disney is losing money.
That's the long and short of it.

I will probably regret commenting, given these discussions typically don't go well... but somebody makes a movie that doesn't interest me, and I am bad because I didn't pay to see it? How?

I started watching the WNBA last year because Clark is fun to watch (she is out via injury).... when I like a product, I support it. When I don't like it, I don't support it. I don't get the rationale to support something because reasons.

And to me gender isn't the reason for or against support.  I support Horizon because it is a great franchise...  I support Metroid, because it is a great franchise.  Great products get support.  Bad products don't.  I don't see how it is more complex than this.  

Edit

The irony with Clark is, of course, loving her game is viewed as bad because reasons.  

Hahah so much this.

Then when they ask "where have the men gone"

And people (men) are like "we have been saying this for the last 10+ years... there are issues, and you ignored us".
If just falls on deaf ears.

Then there are defenders, that leap in to argue even when it doesn't make sense to do so.
In the end, results are what matters, not personal opinions of these defenders.   
(hence the thread, about Disney and money)

I think most are like this.
Men are just fed up with all the BS. 
We apparently cannot have anything, these days.
They f*** over Marvel and Starwars.... whatever that's there right, they own the IP.

However they can't come crying after sales drops.
If they want to only appeal to women, then they just need to try harder.... because it seems like they failed to capture that market,
at the cost of most of the males that normally watched it.

If they honestly do care about men, not watching their stuff, they need to work harder to attract and please that group.

2:00-2:30 (Don't care, wasn't made for you moment)

Then why wasn't that reflected in the movie rating or the trailers or the marketing whatsoever?

Why did you happily take their money and then only tell them after the fact it wasn't for them?