Chrkeller said:
Torillian said:
Alright, one last attempt I'll just spell it out for you. The reason personal vibes is not the way to find out the truth about something is that the issues with surveys you mention "sample bias and sample size" are so much worse for any one person's experience. Those who do surveys are aware of these limitations and do their best to counter them in different ways. On the other hand you just lived your life. Your vibes being right once doesn't upend the entire field of statistics. I can try to defend the dumb people idea if you want. Here I'll try to demo for you how to get beyond vibes and defend a thought you had. I'm already aware that those with higher college education tend to vote more liberal but that probably isn't satisfying so let's go with IQ vs. political tendency. First study on google and we get: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39130356/ 
And check it out, social liberalism is associated with higher scores on average. Now to be fair it would depend how many standard deviations you qualify as the marker of "stupid" but the trend is there. As you go through more of the studies you get: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/ Which was trying to determine if IQ correlated with economic conservatism because as they mention: "Indeed, empirical evidence supports the view that a link between cognitive abilities and political attitudes exists (e.g., Kanazawa, 2010; Meisenberg, 2015). More specifically, most studies indicate that lower cognitive abilities are linked to the endorsement of conservative political views (for overviews, see Onraet et al., 2015; Van Hiel et al., 2010)." So there you go. Dumb people tend more to vote conservative. |
Apparently I have to go simple because you don't get it. 1) liberals did fine in 2020 and even in 2022. They did poor in 2024. Explain how in 2 to 4 years the American population suddenly dropped in IQ and become dumber. 2) surveys/polls under represented Trump in 2016..... 2020.... and 2024. Distrust in accuracy of surveys and polls are justified. You have a literally nothing. Your position DOES NOT EXPLAIN the results of losing AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. I cannot make it more simple than thus. And who won the election? Something CLEARLY CHANGED. THE QUESTION IS WHAT CHANGED. |
Interesting study. But correlation is not the same as causation.
It's I think undeniable that peoples political leaning is for a big part depended on population density. In regions where population density is high the natural response of people is to look for 'more government' to make it work. A top down approach of organizing society. In a low population density region people tend to want less government involvement. More of a bottom up approach to organizing society.
This is why dense population areas tend to lean politically left and the opposite tend to lean right. You can see that on any voting map around the world. Cities tend to vote left, rural tent to vote right.
I do believe a disproportionate amount of higher education people will live in dense population area's. Higher IQ doesn't necessary determines the political leaning, but where they live does.
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