I’m sorry but this isn’t true, “middle America” loved “handouts” from the 1930s-1960s when the middle class was created through the use of progressive taxation to pay for investments & regulations in worker rights, safety net programs, healthcare, housing, education, agriculture, manufacturing, infrastructure, scientific research, environmental protections, etc.

During much of this time, black people were denied the benefits of these investments until the Civil Rights Acts were passed and now all of a sudden they were entitled to all the same benefits that white people were used to. Republicans seized on this and were able to frame black people as lazy, welfare queens that do drugs and commit crimes while taking away your hard earned tax dollars!

Two quotes exemplify this, “when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" and “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

*I’m a 33 year old working class, white dude who has lived in the rural Midwest my entire life

The thread has nothing to do with "nazim"?  It's literally in the original post?  I mean, seriously?  Okay, if you say so.

Makes absolutely no difference if it is the same person or not.  If people are saying it--and the even the mainstream media reported that from the start--then someone coming in later and acting like that was never said is enough to establish my point.  One search and I saw Left rated outlets running stories that highlighted the eugenics angle--but now it's just fake outrage?  Come on. 

However, a moderator doesn't seem to like that so I guess this line of discussion is closed.  We should go back to what this thread is really about--Gaza, immigration, and Trump.

Wrong.  Self sustained pride is part of their culture.  We shouldn't be bashing culture because it doesn't fit within our personal beliefs.

They are not part of the "dumb" group, because they aren't dumb.  Calling people dumb really isn't appropriate and doesn't add to the discussion.

How is it pride.  If you pay taxes to a government, you would believe your taxes is there to help you and your fellow man.  Maybe dumb is not the best term maybe uneducated is.  THe more uneducated a person is the easier they are lead because they lack the tools to know when they are being played.  Just like one person stated that by making someone believe another unworthy person is benefiting from their tax dollars, they are willing to give up those same benefits as long as it hurts that group.

Interesting enough isn't that exactly what we see in this ad.  When you go to other topics about this ad and see the discussions, a huge set of people are going to run out and purchase some jeans from American Eagle.  Not because they like the jeans or even have ever shopped their but because they believe it will somehow hurt the liberals.

That in itself is how the game is played.  If you make people believe they are hurting their enemy even though it goes against your own interest than you can take away some form of pride you did something.  Such mindset is so easily manipulated and it has worked for a very long time.

As someone already pointed out, Harrison received 12,000,000 less votes than Biden.  12,000,000 people suddenly didn't 'get dumb' in that time period.  Many simply do not agree with the liberal platform.  

And it's not that those voters switched to voting for a fascist wannabe dictator, they simply didn't have an alternative to vote for.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/

Because partisanship and voting preference are highly correlated – and most adults stick with their preferred party over time – voter turnout is often a key factor in understanding why there are changes in electoral outcomes year to year.

In the 2024 presidential election, a higher share of Donald Trump’s 2020 voters than Joe Biden’s 2020 voters turned out to vote. Trump also won a higher share of those who had not voted four years earlier. This is different than in 2020 and 2016, when those who didn’t vote in the previous presidential election favored Democratic candidates.

It's all proof a 2-party system can't work. Your only choice is to vote for what you don't like or not vote at all. 
Hence politics adds/propaganda in the US are all about, don't vote for the other guy. 

In the end, pretty much all political candidates in the US are in the pockets of corporations and Aipac.

The stupidity can be found in 2010 "Citizens United vs FEC" where the supreme court ruled (5-4) that corporations and unions have the same First Amendment rights as individuals, meaning they can spend unlimited amounts of money on political advertising independently of candidates.

Citizens United of course being a nice name to misdirect from what they actually stand for: Billionaires United.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-united-explained

Lol, we live in 2025...  wtf does 1930 behavior have to do with the price of beans?  

To a large degree I don't get your point.  I'm talking about how people feel and behave today, and your "proof" I'm wrong is how people felt and behaved 60 to 90 years ago?  

Reminds me of when I tell someone global warming is real and they deny using the ice age as proof.

At the end of the day this thread could go on for lord knows how long, and nobody will be changing their mind.  

People insist voters are dumb because they don't want to accept liberal policies aren't as popular as they been trained to think and the DNC couldn't have possibly screwed the pooch more with Biden.

Granted I will be told I'm wrong.....  like I was for months leading up to the election...  

Edit

As someone already pointed out, Harrison received 12,000,000 less votes than Biden.  12,000,000 people suddenly didn't 'get dumb' in that time period.  Many simply do not agree with the liberal platform.  

You can’t go on about culture then also be like “don’t bring up history!” Culture & history are directly linked, you have to look at history in order to understand when, how and why something becomes a part of that culture.

”Middle America” does not have some long standing culture of not taking government “charity” like your previous post claims.

The golden age of capitalism and the creation of the middle class was in a time period when the government was giving out the most “charity”. High taxes were used to create a safety net, subsidies, investments & regulations and it was very popular.

When did middle America start hating government “charity”? In the aftermath of the civil rights movement when black people started having equal access to all the “charity” that white people had grown accustomed to for decades.

Republicans were successfully able to convince a large part of the population that government “charity” was no longer being used for building and maintaining a thriving middle class but rather going to lazy, undeserving people who were collecting benefits from hard working Americans tax dollars.

Ever since then, Republicans have used boogeyman tactics to get people to vote against their best interests and get them worked up about an undeserving “other” whether that’s minorities, immigrants or LGBT people.

With all that said, it doesn’t mean everyone who voted Republican in 2024 is a bigot, like we talked about earlier, it comes down to messaging. After a couple years of high inflation, most Americans were not feeling good about the economy. Republicans were able to convince many of the low information voters that Democrats cared more about immigrants & transgender people than they cared about improving the lives of the average American. These people may not be anti-immigrant or anti-trans but it’s going to be hard to convince people that immigrant/trans rights are the most important issue when they are struggling themselves.

Now ~7 months into this administration, we are seeing tariffs & trade wars causing inflation to creep back up and slowing economic activity, we are seeing ICE raids and federalizing the National Guard turning the country into a police state where even citizens are getting abducted, locked up or deported and we are seeing spending cuts to healthcare & food assistance that will hurt millions of “middle Americans”.

The last 50-60 years has seen people regularly vote against their own best interest over culture wars like race, religion, immigration status, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. not because of some long standing belief of being too proud to accept government “charity”.

How we got here doesn't change the fact we are here.  Middle America doesn't like handouts.  What was Reagan's famous words?  something like the scariest words in the english language is "we are the government and are here to help."  Fact is handouts, with middle americans, haven't been popular in 40 years.