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pokoko said:
Mummelmann said:

How is the outfit inappropriate for a school setting? That's sounds like something a strict religious school driven by moralism would claim. And how is a flag not culturally significant as a symbol and token of belonging? I suppose you go to various protests and instruct people to tuck away their flags since they lack relevance. This is a very strange take on the situation. Heck; let's not even flag on national holidays in our nations.

Also, calling people "incel" is a not a great way to promote your own stellar views or superiority. Angry people are easy to manipulate, you seem quite angry yourself, based on the language in your post. Introspection is your friend.

Edit; before anyone has a heart-attack - she wore a bowler hat, just about the most iconic English design there is, along with the silhouette of the Aston Martin DB5 and the Big Ben.

I mean, England is over a thousand years old.  The amount of mental gymnastics needed to dispute the cultural significance is astounding.  I don't even understand why anyone would bother, it just comes across as silly.

And "incel" has simply become "you disagree with me about something so I'm going to attack your sexuality," as childish as that sounds.  The "dur you're a virgin" insult from the 1980s never actually went away, it just got repackaged and picked up by a new group of people who can't win an argument without direct insults.

The assholes nowadays like to package their insults with an air of moral superiority. As if insulting someone ever was a sign of moral superiority.



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The London Olympics opening ceremony explored Britain's culture & history, featuring amongst other things, the industrial revolution, the NHS & yep, the Spice Girls.

I guess Danny Boyle failed the brief too...

And the idea that the girl got sent home because she didn't interpret the rules correctly is also ridiculous. By that logic, if the theme was easter and someone dressed as an elf, they'd get seperated from the class & sent home...

Are we really suggesting that that would be in any way reasonable?



SeaDaVie said:

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

You know this site has an ignore-feature, that allows you to hide posts form people you found continuously annoying from viewing? So why reacting to posts you don't even see?



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Mnementh said:

Pretty conservative and reductive view. Culture is much more than just old stuff. Also as a german I am offended by Lederhosen and Dirndl, this is Bavarian bullshit, not german.

Not to mention that the flyer for the event said, "We encourage students to consider wearing attire that reflects their nationality or family heritage."

That's pretty much exactly what she did.



SeaDaVie said:

Saying there are too many foreigners in the country and “They’re taking over” is not the same as hating a religion.

Who said that?



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pokoko said:
SeaDaVie said:

Nothing you say makes any sense at all. There is a page of people blaming it on muslims and foreigners and I pointed out the actual rule infringement. That's not my preconception, blaming it on people you have been taught to hate is a preconception, not reading through the document and trying to understand the nature of the problem.

It's not about defending the school, who I know absolutely nothing about. It was about pointing out that there can be an actual reason this decision was made that had nothing to do with the country being taken over by Muslims or foreigners. You're assuming it was politically motivated, that's your preconception.

Again, though, the fact youre offended by my comments and not the people displaying pretty obvious biases and prejudices is pretty telling. 

You mean you MADE UP a rule infringement because nothing in the article supported that whatsoever.  In fact, the school's own press release where they talked about making a mistake and apologized to the student and their family directly contradicts your claim.  Nowhere do they say it was a dress code violation.  You made that up because you wanted to excuse the mistreatment of a child.

The question is, why are you so determined to excuse the mistreatment of a child when the accused themselves have apologized and said that they are "reviewing policies and strengthening staff training" as a result?  It's flat out bizarre that you are fighting a battle that has already been surrendered.

It really says a lot about you that you literally pull stuff from thin air in order to hit your talking points.

And, by the way, there is nothing wrong with supporting tougher immigration rules or protecting your own cultural identity.  Personally, I don't know anything about the situation in England on that front so I stayed within the scope of the article.

Regardless, the simple fact here is that you wanted very badly for this girl to be at fault and you did your absolute best to blame the situation on a 12 year old.  Victim blaming is not cool but you did it anyway.  Why?  YOU think about THAT before you start pointing fingers at other people.

That says everything about who you are.

What the hell are you even talking about with this inane drivel? She literally got sent home because of the outfit she was wearing, no other reason is given at any point in time. It was 100% because of her outfit. That’s not a made up fact, that’s just basic reality. The fact they apologised might mean that they don’t think it was an appropriate response, or even that they no longer consider it a breach of the specific dress code rules for the cultural event, but either way at the time she was sent home because of her outfit. That is the absolute established fact that everyone agrees with, except you. 



SeaDaVie said:
Tober said:

No British ones in the list, can you educate me what a British one would look like? An English one is ok too.

Here’s some suggestions:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=english+traditional+dress&qpvt=english+traditional+dress&form=IQFRML&first=1&cw=980&ch=644english traditional dress - Search Images

(sorry, I use Bing for the reward points)

If you would like for there to be an official one you can create a petition for it and after enough signatures it will be debated in parliament.

Oh wow, I didn't think in this day and age we still see proponents of the classical racist stereotypisation of cultural understanding. Every culture is one thing, uniform and unchanging. In actuality culture is fluid, always changing and even at a point in time pretty diverse. Also a reason I hate Dirndl and Lederhosen for germany, because not even Bavarians are that culturally shallow. I showed that the world, Wikipedia and many people before this girl understood this as cultural significant, that's why many people copied it. It is not just 'the one dress worn at the one occasion by the one singer'. Similar dresses were worn by many people over time and always celebrating culture. But you want the reductive, stereotypical view of culture and defend an action to punish a 12-year old in this way. I don't see how you can do this.



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SeaDaVie said:

This is what traditional cultural outfit look like btw



https://www.lovetoknow.com/life/lifestyle/national-costumes-world

I'll take the Union Jack dressed over any dress that forces women to cover up their bodies and hair, which I frankly find quite offensive and absolutely not something to be celebrated in the West. I have no problem with women choosing to wear that. But let's not kid ourselves, a lot women end up wearing it because they were taught to wear it, not because it's their choice. If it was up to me I would ban such nonsense from being enforced on children, and I hope no one showed up at school wearing that. 

I don't understand how you think the Union Jack dress the girl wore is inappropriate for school settings, while on the other hand, you're happy with traditional dresses that indoctrinate women and have no problem with girls wearing them. 



SeaDaVie said:

She got punished for a dress code violation in a school. There is no evidence it was by foreigners or the left or George soros or whoever. It was the decision of a school. That's the end of the story, unless you know more about it than published in the news.

I went to school in the UK and got in trouble a lot. I got punished for all sorts of things, including dress code. No evidence it was because they were foreigners or muslims. They were just the kind of people that like to punish children for minor stuff, and probably make themselves feel better, I would guess.

And the school apologized for being off the mark. Yet here you are and defending a brain-dead decision that was taken back and apologized for.



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SeaDaVie said:

What the hell are you even talking about with this inane drivel? She literally got sent home because of the outfit she was wearing, no other reason is given at any point in time. It was 100% because of her outfit. That’s not a made up fact, that’s just basic reality. The fact they apologised might mean that they don’t think it was an appropriate response, or even that they no longer consider it a breach of the specific dress code rules for the cultural event, but either way at the time she was sent home because of her outfit. That is the absolute established fact that everyone agrees with, except you. 

Actually, as we can clearly see from their apology, she was sent home because THEY FUCKED UP.

No blame on her at all and she was invited to come back--wearing THE SAME OUTFIT--and give her speech.  She did nothing wrong and they know it.  You're the only one who doesn't get it.