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Who was worse?

Don Mattrick 27 51.92%
 
Phil Spencer 25 48.08%
 
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RolStoppable on 13 July 2025
Sephiran said:

From a sales perspective, Kinnect gave a massive boost to Xbox 360, Kinnect was a major reason why Wii sales fell off a cliff after a few years.

The real reason why Wii sales declined sharply in 2011 is because Nintendo released only Wii Play Motion in the first half of 2011, a game that came bundled with a controller and was sold for $50. It was a bad year for Nintendo software on the Wii as Nintendo had already shifted development focus to the 3DS (released in Q1 2011) and the upcoming Wii U.

Even over a decade later people refuse to acknowledge the severe software drought of 2011, because they'd rather believe that the Wii was a fad. That all the same people got blindsided by Ring Fit Adventure's and Switch Sports' success doesn't matter to them.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

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xboxgreen on 13 July 2025
curl-6 said:
xboxgreen said:

More power to you, but that is what started the Xbox One down fall. MS should've been acquiring more studios during that time. 

They've acquired half the industry at this point but that doesn't seem to have helped; the problem is that MS doesn't seem very good at managing the studios they acquire. You can't just buy your way into a great first party position, you need to be able to properly nurture the studios you own.

What are you talking about? Microsoft is dominating the software sales charts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/1lw8n5k/2025_yeartodate_top_20_bestselling_premium_games/#lightbox

Console hardware is meaning less and less these days. All about software and subscribers. Even Sony is using player engagement .



xboxgreen on 13 July 2025
RolStoppable said:
Sephiran said:

From a sales perspective, Kinnect gave a massive boost to Xbox 360, Kinnect was a major reason why Wii sales fell off a cliff after a few years.

The real reason why Wii sales declined sharply in 2011 is because Nintendo released only Wii Play Motion in the first half of 2011, a game that came bundled with a controller and was sold for $50. It was a bad year for Nintendo software on the Wii as Nintendo had already shifted development focus to the 3DS (released in Q1 2011) and the upcoming Wii U.

Even over a decade later people refuse to acknowledge the severe software drought of 2011, because they'd rather believe that the Wii was a fad. That all the same people got blindsided by Ring Fit Adventure's and Switch Sports' success doesn't matter to them.

People realize Nintendo home consoles sucks. That is why the Wii U flopped too despite a good line up. Nintendo's bread and butter is handheld. That is why I'm surprise in the other thread people didn't vote for gameboy as Nintendo's most ground breaking system.



curl-6 on 13 July 2025
xboxgreen said:
curl-6 said:

They've acquired half the industry at this point but that doesn't seem to have helped; the problem is that MS doesn't seem very good at managing the studios they acquire. You can't just buy your way into a great first party position, you need to be able to properly nurture the studios you own.

What are you talking about? Microsoft is dominating the software sales charts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/1lw8n5k/2025_yeartodate_top_20_bestselling_premium_games/#lightbox

Console hardware is meaning less and less these days. All about software and subscribers. Even Sony is using player engagement .

They just laid of thousands of people and cancelled multiple games that had been in the works for years.

Hardware is of immense importance to those who can actually sell hardware; Microsoft are de-emphasizing it because they are failing at it. 



Leynos on 13 July 2025
curl-6 said:
xboxgreen said:

What are you talking about? Microsoft is dominating the software sales charts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/1lw8n5k/2025_yeartodate_top_20_bestselling_premium_games/#lightbox

Console hardware is meaning less and less these days. All about software and subscribers. Even Sony is using player engagement .

They just laid of thousands of people and cancelled multiple games that had been in the works for years.

Hardware is of immense importance to those who can actually sell hardware; Microsoft are de-emphasizing it because they are failing at it. 

I'm convinced this is another alt of Zeldaring. Just loves to be wrong—similar posting style. 



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xboxgreen on 13 July 2025
curl-6 said:
xboxgreen said:

What are you talking about? Microsoft is dominating the software sales charts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/1lw8n5k/2025_yeartodate_top_20_bestselling_premium_games/#lightbox

Console hardware is meaning less and less these days. All about software and subscribers. Even Sony is using player engagement .

They just laid of thousands of people and cancelled multiple games that had been in the works for years.

Hardware is of immense importance to those who can actually sell hardware; Microsoft are de-emphasizing it because they are failing at it. 

Laying people off and canceling projects is a natural part of business and most of it wasn't even Xbox related. For example, King took a huge hit and wasn't really  part of Xbox.

Not true, software is more important. If Microsoft sells a customer an Xbox but don't buy any games that actually hurts Xbox rather than help it. Keep in mind Xbox is doing well in North America where people buy the most software. That is why Sony and third party publishers are supporting Xbox. 



RolStoppable on 14 July 2025
xboxgreen said:
RolStoppable said:

The real reason why Wii sales declined sharply in 2011 is because Nintendo released only Wii Play Motion in the first half of 2011, a game that came bundled with a controller and was sold for $50. It was a bad year for Nintendo software on the Wii as Nintendo had already shifted development focus to the 3DS (released in Q1 2011) and the upcoming Wii U.

Even over a decade later people refuse to acknowledge the severe software drought of 2011, because they'd rather believe that the Wii was a fad. That all the same people got blindsided by Ring Fit Adventure's and Switch Sports' success doesn't matter to them.

People realize Nintendo home consoles sucks. That is why the Wii U flopped too despite a good line up. Nintendo's bread and butter is handheld. That is why I'm surprise in the other thread people didn't vote for gameboy as Nintendo's most ground breaking system.

This post of yours is even dumber than the one of LegitHyperbole that I labeled one of the dumbest posts on this website ever.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Tober on 14 July 2025
xboxgreen said:
RolStoppable said:

The real reason why Wii sales declined sharply in 2011 is because Nintendo released only Wii Play Motion in the first half of 2011, a game that came bundled with a controller and was sold for $50. It was a bad year for Nintendo software on the Wii as Nintendo had already shifted development focus to the 3DS (released in Q1 2011) and the upcoming Wii U.

Even over a decade later people refuse to acknowledge the severe software drought of 2011, because they'd rather believe that the Wii was a fad. That all the same people got blindsided by Ring Fit Adventure's and Switch Sports' success doesn't matter to them.

People realize Nintendo home consoles sucks. That is why the Wii U flopped too despite a good line up. Nintendo's bread and butter is handheld. That is why I'm surprise in the other thread people didn't vote for gameboy as Nintendo's most ground breaking system.

The NES single handily saved the gaming industry in the US at least, but I do agree the gameboy was a masterpiece in itself.



xboxgreen on 14 July 2025
RolStoppable said:
xboxgreen said:

People realize Nintendo home consoles sucks. That is why the Wii U flopped too despite a good line up. Nintendo's bread and butter is handheld. That is why I'm surprise in the other thread people didn't vote for gameboy as Nintendo's most ground breaking system.

This post of yours is even dumber than the one of LegitHyperbole that I labeled one of the dumbest posts on this website ever.

After the SNES, Nintendo traditional home consoles struggle.



RolStoppable on 14 July 2025
xboxgreen said:
RolStoppable said:

This post of yours is even dumber than the one of LegitHyperbole that I labeled one of the dumbest posts on this website ever.

After the SNES, Nintendo traditional home consoles struggle.

Moving the goalposts doesn't help your case. LegitHyperbole's response was a lot smarter than yours.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.