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Azzanation said:
chakkra said:

I have two theories as to why:

a) They are doing it for people like you, who just have to buy anything Xbox (And they are seriously overestimating how many of you there are out there) or,

b) They are scared of the impact it may have in the stock market the news that they will be leaving the console market, so they are letting their hardware sector to die slowly, until we get to the point that even investors will see it as a good thing when they finally pull the plug.

A) I Primarily game on PC bud, if they make another Xbox or not, does not affect me. I own an Xbox for convenience purposes only. But there are 30+ million customers who buy Xbox consoles soooo that's alot of me types.

B) So they are letting the hardware die by making even more hardware including a Hand-held.. lol come on man, that's not how companies show they are exiting the buisness, asmuch as you want them to fail, your reasoning is very poor.

No one on this site can answer that question as to why MS are making more hardware. I have not seen one answer that makes abit of sense.

See? That's the problem in your assessment. You (and seemingly MS) are assuming that the 30+ million people who bought an Xbox series will just buy anything Xbox no matter what; and well, I think you (and MS) are in for a wake up call..



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chakkra said:
Azzanation said:

A) I Primarily game on PC bud, if they make another Xbox or not, does not affect me. I own an Xbox for convenience purposes only. But there are 30+ million customers who buy Xbox consoles soooo that's alot of me types.

B) So they are letting the hardware die by making even more hardware including a Hand-held.. lol come on man, that's not how companies show they are exiting the buisness, asmuch as you want them to fail, your reasoning is very poor.

No one on this site can answer that question as to why MS are making more hardware. I have not seen one answer that makes abit of sense.

See? That's the problem in your assessment. You (and seemingly MS) are assuming that the 30+ million people who bought an Xbox series will just buy anything Xbox no matter what; and well, I think you (and MS) are in for a wake up call..

Indeed. I bought one on the promise of Halo, Forza, Starfield. All 3 disappointed and could be played on PC anyway. My Series X has become my least played console of all time, so why would I buy another one when there will be no exclusives for it anyway.

Yeah, MS will find out exclusives matter. They are already finding out but have little choice as Gamepass has stagnated.

But they also know they need to keep some presence in game stores to not be forgotten entirely. They need another SKU and (some) games on shelves with the window advertising around it. Shelf space for XBox has already shrunk a lot, a situation where there's only some controllers to buy for XBox in stores will only hasten the decline now GP isn't following Netflix's success.

MS banked on streaming to take off a lot faster than it does. Yes internet connections are getting faster, however reality is, demand is still rising faster. Internet stability is the biggest hurdle for streaming and not easily solved. With multiple people in the house streaming video, streaming games on top only works if you have the best internet and don't live far from a server. And still playing local is much better quality with lower input lag.

So another XBox feels mostly like buying more time for streaming to get better / more popular. At least keep the diehard XBox fans engaged and have a box on the market for those that don't want to mess with PC nor streaming, another GamePass box like Series S.



Azzanation said:
only777 said:

Before you start your spin; my post was how Microsoft introducing forced Microsoft sign in six years ago to Minecraft on PlayStation didn't actually add any Monthly Active users to the Xbox eco-system.

So the forced addition of a Microsoft account has not added any MAU's at all, this make's everything else you've written utterly pointless.

Azzanation said:

There are many layers to this.....You need to stop looking at this as 1 dementionial and start thinking 4D chess. 

Congratulations; of all the utter bollocks ever posted in this forum, this ranks as #1.

Great Job.

What spin? If MAUs means nothing, why do companies like Xbox and Sony do it? For laughs and giggles?

Poor attempt at a deflection.

I'll spell it out again as you really badly are trying to avoid the point here.

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Microsoft already tried to add MAU's via forced Microsoft account requirement on their biggest game; Minecraft, and it added zero extra MAU's to the Xbox Eco System.

Explain how on earth doing the same thing AGAIN but with other games will make a difference.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

chakkra said:

See? That's the problem in your assessment. You (and seemingly MS) are assuming that the 30+ million people who bought an Xbox series will just buy anything Xbox no matter what; and well, I think you (and MS) are in for a wake up call..

Not one part of my post states that. You can sell hardware to anyone, weather they are new or old to the eco system. If they create compelling hardware with amazing game value, then they don't need to be Xbox fans to but an Xbox.

only777 said:
Azzanation said:

What spin? If MAUs means nothing, why do companies like Xbox and Sony do it? For laughs and giggles?

Poor attempt at a deflection.

I'll spell it out again as you really badly are trying to avoid the point here.

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Microsoft already tried to add MAU's via forced Microsoft account requirement on their biggest game; Minecraft, and it added zero extra MAU's to the Xbox Eco System.

Explain how on earth doing the same thing AGAIN but with other games will make a difference.

You need to study buisness. It's not just them just adding accounts to Minecraft, it shows traffic on their networks, that's what these buisnesses want, is population. The more MAUs across all their games = server traffic.

See outside the console war box. Sony does the exact same thing on their PC releases. If it means nothing, then wouldn't waste their time. 

Adding accounts was never meant to make people switch consoles, no one said that. Its internal advertisement, builds traffic, creates interests, and down the line can convince people to buy elsewhere but that isn't the sole reason they do it.



Azzanation said:

You need to study buisness.

Mate, you can't even spell business!

And you still didn't answer the question!

Why do you keep avoiding it, I'll keep writing it until you stop trying to deflect it:

Microsoft already tried to add MAU's via forced Microsoft account requirement on their biggest game; Minecraft, and it added zero extra MAU's to the Xbox Eco System.

Explain how on earth doing the same thing AGAIN but with other games will make a difference.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

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only777 said:
Azzanation said:

You need to study buisness.

Mate, you can't even spell business!

And you still didn't answer the question!

Why do you keep avoiding it, I'll keep writing it until you stop trying to deflect it:

Microsoft already tried to add MAU's via forced Microsoft account requirement on their biggest game; Minecraft, and it added zero extra MAU's to the Xbox Eco System.

Explain how on earth doing the same thing AGAIN but with other games will make a difference.

Yup, I am writing these on my phone so hope the spelling doesn't hurt you to much.

Now your question makes no sense to the subject. But let me explain in parts.

Yes, they increased their MAUs, because more Minecraft players have to use an Xbox account. So your point is already invalid. More MAUs = Good for the brand.

The strategy of being a Trojan Horse isn't just logging into an account, maybe try reading the entire thread rather than just one point. It's many things.

Now explain why many companies want you to sign into their accounts to play their games, including Sony? Example: Helldivars 2.



Azzanation said:

Yes, they increased their MAUs, because more Minecraft players have to use an Xbox account. So your point is already invalid. More MAUs = Good for the brand.

They haven't increased their MAU's though!  They have actually fallen!

THAT'S THE POINT!



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

only777 said:
Azzanation said:

Yes, they increased their MAUs, because more Minecraft players have to use an Xbox account. So your point is already invalid. More MAUs = Good for the brand.

They haven't increased their MAU's though!  They have actually fallen!

THAT'S THE POINT!

Bud, you really have no idea, this account login has nothing to do with anything but to milk gamers on other platforms, that's why majority of brands want you to log into their games especially live service ones. 

Also, what are you talking about? It did increase their MAUs with Minecraft. That was the point. It was never meant to create console sales with that goal or make people switch platforms. So your question has zero merit to this.

Stop trying to use an 1 old game for your example, let's see how that MAUs goes when FH5 releases. Again, this has little to do with the long term strategy. It's one small part of a wide range of things.

Now you never answered my question. Why do other brands do it, if it means nothing? Why did Sony try enforcing it on Helldivars?



only777 said:
Azzanation said:

Yes, they increased their MAUs, because more Minecraft players have to use an Xbox account. So your point is already invalid. More MAUs = Good for the brand.

They haven't increased their MAU's though!  They have actually fallen!

THAT'S THE POINT!

Do you have proof it didn't increase? I don't really care either way, but some simple research shows Xbox's MAU has increased consistently for the last 5 years.

2020 - 100M MAU

2021 - can't seem to find

2022 - 120M MAU (when Minecraft required a Microsoft account)

2023 - 200M MAU 

2024 - 500M MAU (ABK merger effect) 

Unless you can back up your claim, you are wrong about MAU not increasing, let alone decreasing. 



SvennoJ said:
chakkra said:

See? That's the problem in your assessment. You (and seemingly MS) are assuming that the 30+ million people who bought an Xbox series will just buy anything Xbox no matter what; and well, I think you (and MS) are in for a wake up call..

Indeed. I bought one on the promise of Halo, Forza, Starfield. All 3 disappointed and could be played on PC anyway. My Series X has become my least played console of all time, so why would I buy another one when there will be no exclusives for it anyway.

You just proved my point. You still brought a Series X even knowing that Halo, Forza and Starfield are on PC (not exclusive) so if the next batch of sequels to these games release and impress you, what's stopping you from buying the next console? Considering you still brought in when the games let you down.