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Forums - Nintendo - Is Switch 2 the start of the 10th Generation? (Poll)

 

Switch 2...

9th Gen 15 13.64%
 
10th Gen 54 49.09%
 
Generation don't matter anymore 37 33.64%
 
I have no opinion 4 3.64%
 
Total:110
160rmf on 02 February 2025

The thing is, console generations never mattered.
Its a just a thing that us enthusiasts do to organize the systems. We saw an order of releases from the biggest manufactures after the 3rd wave of systems and decided to label based on that.

But some people want to put an extra meaning to that so instead of organizing, they just want to make a mess. Without a consesus, this categorization became stupid and pointless

Just as stupid and pointless if Nintendo decided to hold the Switch and keeped a failed console as the Wii U a few more years longer just because some users cant grasp the concept of generation 

Last edited by 160rmf - on 02 February 2025

 

 

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Norion on 02 February 2025
Cassiel said:

Switch 2 will be a PS5/Xbox Series gen console that will also span the whole PS6/Xbox Prime gen ( 2026-2034 ). Xbox Prime will release at the end of 2026, PS6 on November 2027, while Switch 2 will last at least for 8 year until 2033, meaning covering the other two's next gen too, besides this one. 1,5 of the other two's gens exactly like the Switch did ( PS4/Xbox One gen plus half of PS5/Xbox Series gen ). Even if you take it based on perfomance output, Switch 2 is above Xbox Series S in performance ( 3 Teraflops docked + forced dynamic low resource closed enviroment optimised DLSS 3.5 ), so that makes it a PS5/Xbox Series gen console, that will run every single game of the current gen, something pretty obvious by the tons of high end AAA game ports already leaked for it and many developers comments on it's easy porting ability of current gen games.

That's not true, the Series S will be better than it aside from the Switch 2 having a RAM advantage. And it'll be able to run the clear majority but anything that is particularly CPU intensive will be an issue.



firebush03 on 02 February 2025
160rmf said:
LegitHyperbole said:

This is probably the best point made in the thread. It's hard to argue against it being a replacement to a failure, a reset type deal. 🤔 

Isnt this the point of the successors: being a replacement of the previous consoles?

Porting last gen games to the next system isn't a thing that only happened to WiiU -> Switch

In other words: The NSW was intended to be a second life for Wii U. It wasn’t created with the purpose of moving on from the Wii U — like how any typical successor system would — but rather serve as a rebranding. Almost like how DS Lite was to DS OG, though a little bit more extreme.



160rmf on 02 February 2025
firebush03 said:
160rmf said:

Isnt this the point of the successors: being a replacement of the previous consoles?

Porting last gen games to the next system isn't a thing that only happened to WiiU -> Switch

In other words: The NSW was intended to be a second life for Wii U. It wasn’t created with the purpose of moving on from the Wii U — like how any typical successor system would — but rather serve as a rebranding. Almost like how DS Lite was to DS OG, though a little bit more extreme.

How would you know that? They ditched the main characteristic of the console, how is that giving a second life? Moved on.... Giving a second life... Successor... Replacement...You are just playing with semantics 



 

 

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firebush03 on 02 February 2025
160rmf said:
firebush03 said:

In other words: The NSW was intended to be a second life for Wii U. It wasn’t created with the purpose of moving on from the Wii U — like how any typical successor system would — but rather serve as a rebranding. Almost like how DS Lite was to DS OG, though a little bit more extreme.

How would you know that? They ditched the main characteristic of the console, how is that giving a second life? Moved on.... Giving a second life... Successor... Replacement...You are just playing with semantics 

i think i forgot a few words: “Whether the NSW was intended to be a second life for Wii U or not.” In other words, I’m begging the question of whether NSW should be viewed more as a DS Lite to DS, or a true successor to Wii U. (i.e. Was it a soft-reset or a move-forward?) The former could be argued noting how Nintendo (i) discontinued Wii U before NSW even released, (ii) ported all the consoles best games over, (iii) didn’t greatly upgrade the tech behind the machine, (iv) announced development on it within 14m of Wii U’s launch, etc.

You can criticize me for “playing with semantics”, im just sharing my opinion. You can agree or disagree, idk what you want me to say.🤷‍♂️ Somedays I see NSW as 9th gen, other days I see it as 10th gen. When choosing a label, you always have to keep in mind the intent of the label…pretty much all im saying here.

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Pemalite on 03 February 2025
Norion said:
Cassiel said:

Switch 2 will be a PS5/Xbox Series gen console that will also span the whole PS6/Xbox Prime gen ( 2026-2034 ). Xbox Prime will release at the end of 2026, PS6 on November 2027, while Switch 2 will last at least for 8 year until 2033, meaning covering the other two's next gen too, besides this one. 1,5 of the other two's gens exactly like the Switch did ( PS4/Xbox One gen plus half of PS5/Xbox Series gen ). Even if you take it based on perfomance output, Switch 2 is above Xbox Series S in performance ( 3 Teraflops docked + forced dynamic low resource closed enviroment optimised DLSS 3.5 ), so that makes it a PS5/Xbox Series gen console, that will run every single game of the current gen, something pretty obvious by the tons of high end AAA game ports already leaked for it and many developers comments on it's easy porting ability of current gen games.

That's not true, the Series S will be better than it aside from the Switch 2 having a RAM advantage. And it'll be able to run the clear majority but anything that is particularly CPU intensive will be an issue.

The Ram advantage is only in a single aspect. Total capacity.

We don't know how much Ram is available to developers... The Series S is extremely "lean" in that regard.

And the Series S has faster Ram.

killer7 said:

Generations are defined on when they launched. vgchartz chartz on the front page does it right. The latest Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony systems are part of the same generation. If Sony was to launch PS6 and MS came out with an Xboxwhatever they both would compete with Switch 2 in the same generation. Talks like "generations are over", "console wars are over" are wrong. As long as there are consoles with physical games from at least 2 different brands there are generations and there will be competition.

There are lots of different ways we can define a generation... And it doesn't have to be so rigid and unmoving as you would imply just to satiate your own immovable world-view.
We have storage medium generations for example... Tape, Mechanical Hard Drives, Solid State Drives or... Carts, CD Rom, DVD Rom, Blu-Ray and then Streaming.

By "years launched" is one possible way. - But wouldn't that also make the PS5 Pro a 10th gen console? And who gets to start the generation?




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killer7 on 04 February 2025
Pemalite said:
Norion said:

That's not true, the Series S will be better than it aside from the Switch 2 having a RAM advantage. And it'll be able to run the clear majority but anything that is particularly CPU intensive will be an issue.

The Ram advantage is only in a single aspect. Total capacity.

We don't know how much Ram is available to developers... The Series S is extremely "lean" in that regard.

And the Series S has faster Ram.

killer7 said:

Generations are defined on when they launched. vgchartz chartz on the front page does it right. The latest Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony systems are part of the same generation. If Sony was to launch PS6 and MS came out with an Xboxwhatever they both would compete with Switch 2 in the same generation. Talks like "generations are over", "console wars are over" are wrong. As long as there are consoles with physical games from at least 2 different brands there are generations and there will be competition.

There are lots of different ways we can define a generation... And it doesn't have to be so rigid and unmoving as you would imply just to satiate your own immovable world-view.
We have storage medium generations for example... Tape, Mechanical Hard Drives, Solid State Drives or... Carts, CD Rom, DVD Rom, Blu-Ray and then Streaming.

By "years launched" is one possible way. - But wouldn't that also make the PS5 Pro a 10th gen console? And who gets to start the generation?

No. PS5Pro is part of the 9th gen! As PS4Pro was part of Gen 8. They are just upgrades, no sucessors. There are no exclusives games for it. With the GameBoy (Color) its a different thing: The GBC had exclisives, more power... everything that defines a next gen system. Yet Nintendo decided to lump it together. If Nintendo called the sucessor "Switch Up" and not Switch 2 but with the same power it would also be an upgrade if they said so. But its a sucessor according to them and "2" makes this obvious so its a sucessor (Gen 10). Thats the way it was always seen in general and i agree with that.



Chicho on 04 February 2025

Gen ? i say 10.



Manlytears on 04 February 2025

Switch is "Nintendo 10th gen". Nintendo will be one gen ahead in name and 1 gen behind in power.



Norion on 04 February 2025
Pemalite said:
Norion said:

That's not true, the Series S will be better than it aside from the Switch 2 having a RAM advantage. And it'll be able to run the clear majority but anything that is particularly CPU intensive will be an issue.

The Ram advantage is only in a single aspect. Total capacity.

We don't know how much Ram is available to developers... The Series S is extremely "lean" in that regard.

And the Series S has faster Ram.

If developers have access to at least 10GB which system do you think would be overall better in this regard? Cause the only 8GB available on the Series S is a notable issue but I dunno how much the faster speed could make up for that compared to the Switch 2 having more.