Congratulations for missing the point. 

I guess its all good to be dishonest about Sony's first party. But disrespecting Forza with that same logic is blasphemous! 

Well, he actually played the games he was talking about.  Unlike you who never played a Forza game if want to disrespect a game you should actually play it first.

Literally every brand won this generation, but Xbox. Nintendo is king, no need to explain their case. Steam kick-started a PC handheld market, that was successful enough to not only make other manufacturers follow suit with Windows devices, but made they WANT to make SteamOS devices. And most importantly, made GAMERS want SteamOS over Windows devices. This is the biggest blow that I have seem to the Windows monopoly, but only time will tell if we are really seeing the status quo starting to change.

And PlayStation, even if they don't sell as many consoles as in the last generation, they already made more money than in the last gen. And most importantly, they cemented their victory over their biggest competitor, and can now even ask $800 for a console and people will pay, because yay, no competition.

That's idiotic. Did you actually think I'm criticizing Forza in a serious matter in that context? I also hope you start holding up the microscope to other posts criticizing games if you want to completely miss the point. 

I'm just applying his same line of thinking to show how silly it is. He says that he's tired of SpiderMan because its been around for two decades. You can say the same about Forza which, by the time FH6 releases, will be around for nearly two decades. And will have another Turn 10 entry a few years after that. Its not a criticism that requires you to actually play the game. 

You can apply the same line of reasoning for Halo, Mario, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Doom, Zelda, God of War, etc. 

Forza Motorsports and Forza Horizon are two completely different games made by two different studios (Turn 10 and Playground Games).  The first Forza Horizon game was released on October 12, 2012, its 20th anniversary is not going to happen until 2032. 

Again, that's not the point lol. His reasoning is hypocritical and applies to Forza. Simple as.

And your distinction doesn't even align with his initial argument about being tired of SpiderMan where he cites the original trilogy from Sony Pictures. He doesn't separate the mediums or creatives behind it. So why are you? 

The Steam Deck is a nice addition to the gaming sector for sure, it's always good to have more options, it just seems odd to me to call a relatively niche device the "biggest winner". It's a win, yes, but the biggest? It's a relatively minor player really.

If you mean the biggest win for you personally, then okay, can't disagree with that.

Being the 'American' console is wearing thin. They brought innovation into the console scene when they debuted, but it's been fairly incremental ever since.

The failures here are many:
1. complacency in innovation
2. not really standing out
3. not enough exclusives as others have said
4. trying to be a _brand_ instead of a console

In the short-run?, yes it is minor, but in the long-run?, no. The Deck itself is just one short stepping stone from what we've seen. It's not just one device the same way it is for Nintendo. It is more like a device to show what others can do using it's OS.

Let's be real, the track pads are Valve's little gimmick for their device, but the main focus is it's OS. With the OS on that device you are getting access to Steam's feature-set and your library, allowing the OS itself to act like an extension of sorts.

The Deck is a small win, but it's OS is going to be the bigger winner, especially as time goes on and the more they advance/push it to a market that is looking for a way out of Windows.

I know you're still likely to look down on this notion, but things haven't always been as they seem with gaming. Look at PC for example, PC was "dying" for decades and now look at where it is at in terms of it's popularity and sales. practically every streamer you see on Twitch is using a gaming PC of sorts and people want to emulate that.

Now just imagine Streamers starting to use Steam OS and showing off what it is capable of. You don't think that would make waves with the public over time?. It's not just streamers either, youtubers and outlets will and have been writing about the Deck and Steam OS itself, and this will only grow over time. This isn't going to be a 1:1 Steam machines blow-up failure state (Steam machines were handled entirely via 3rd party and only featured Windows OS, and Valve not having a hands on approach is primarily what killed them besides their partners), because this time around, Valve is going hands on with their approach, not only with the Deck and future iterations, but the OS itself. 

I know you likely still think this is small and a nothing burger, but I honestly cannot fathom why you would think that, especially given how the PC platform is, how we're seeing more portable competition today than what we saw with the Vita vs the DS (literally two systems, and mobile still crushed them both in the end). Yes the Deck is that small win, but again, the OS is the main factor, and that by itself isn't small, isn't going to just fizzle out with how much weight is being put behind it.

Steam Deck itself and the Steam OS are different things though, just like how Windows and PC or Apple and phones aren't the same thing.