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Would you rather have the Switch or a powerful conventional Nintendo Home Console that competes with PS & Xbox?

Have a powerful conventio... 14 22.95%
 
Have the Switch as we know it today 47 77.05%
 
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JackHandy said:

If Nintendo released a home console that was as powerful as whatever Sony had on the market within the same gen? I'd be on that faster than a fast. They haven't done something like that since Gamecube... which was (not coincidentally) the last time I stood in line overnight for one of their consoles. I'd be over-the-moon excited.

Going for AAA graphics just doesn't make sense from a money making perspective, which is what Nintendo thinks about. I mean, its crazy that Nintendo has earned more profits during the Switch era than Sony Playstation has earned in 30 years from gaming. Graphical power race is simply a dead end from a profit perspective.



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Sephiran said:
JackHandy said:

If Nintendo released a home console that was as powerful as whatever Sony had on the market within the same gen? I'd be on that faster than a fast. They haven't done something like that since Gamecube... which was (not coincidentally) the last time I stood in line overnight for one of their consoles. I'd be over-the-moon excited.

Going for AAA graphics just doesn't make sense from a money making perspective, which is what Nintendo thinks about. I mean, its crazy that Nintendo has earned more profits during the Switch era than Sony Playstation has earned in 30 years from gaming. Graphical power race is simply a dead end from a profit perspective.

This. If Xbox and PlayStation completely dropped specs and PS6 was barely above a PS5 Pro and Xbox 5 was barely above PS5 Pro as well it might spell the death of both. Xbox isn't in great shape, but Microsoft Gaming is.

Nintendo doesn't need the specs, that died with Wii as a homerun after GameCube was their least popular home console to date. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

Considering how well the Switch worked out for Nintendo, I would like for them to stick to that approach.



Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

Switch Lite was pretty much the same hardware as the original, with components cut out to reduce cost, so it would've been very cheap to develop.

That is exactly what a Switch TV would be.

Components cut-out to reduce cost, so it would have been very cheap to develop.

curl-6 said:

The OP describes the device in question as a "powerful console" that would "compete with PS and Xbox"; that would take a lot more than just some cheap mobile components, you'd have to invest some serious money, and I doubt it would be worth it commercially when the audience who wants graphics will still find it lacking due to all its game being held back by the portable SKU.

The Switch has significant clockspeed headroom on it's SoC, overclocking results have shown marked performance improvements upwards of 50% or more...
But that's taking clocks from:
CPU:
Default: 1020Mhz
Overclock: 2090Mhz
A 104% improvement. Aka. Doubling.

GPU:
Default: 768Mhz (Docked)
Overclock: 1305Mhz
About a 70% improvement.

Memory:
Default: 1333/1600Mhz
Overclock: 2500Mhz
A 56% improvement.

Some games see significant improvements to framerates of 50% or more, two of the Switch's biggest bottlenecks is the CPU and DRAM bandwidth, the CPU is held back by ancient ARM A57 cores clocked at only 1Ghz... And 1600Mhz Ram is not setting any records.

This would bridge the "gap" to the Xbox One easily enough.

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Nintendo doesn't need to compete with the Xbox Series X or Playstation 5, it just needs to be "good enough".
And I would argue many ports are not offering a "good enough" experience with muddy textures, low resolutions, lots of pop-in and sub 30fps experiences.

Oh if we're talking about just a home version of the Switch then I agree completely that it would make a lot of sense.

I was just referring to the scenario outlined in the OP; a console that's power-competitive with PS/Xbox.

Sephiran said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well according to everyone on this site it's already competing with PS and Xbox. In fact, it's not just competing, it's thrashing them! So, the people here really aren't going to appreciate that question. They think that once that switch slides into that dock, it turns into a monstrous and powerful console that is the envy of Sony and Microsoft, even it was only powerful enough to run one big third party release all year. Sonic shadow generations. Doesn't matter to anyone on here though. Who needs third party games?

I don't get your point. Switch is evidently competing with them when it comes to sales figures, not when it comes to power. A Nintendo home console could never compete with them on sales figures though, even if they could compete on power. A powerful Nintendo console wouldn't stop Square Enix from making new Final Fantasy games only for Playstation, and same for the other big third parties.

There's no point trying to have a rational discussion with him, he's just trolling.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well according to everyone on this site it's already competing with PS and Xbox. In fact, it's not just competing, it's thrashing them! So, the people here really aren't going to appreciate that question. They think that once that switch slides into that dock, it turns into a monstrous and powerful console that is the envy of Sony and Microsoft, even it was only powerful enough to run one big third party release all year. Sonic shadow generations. Doesn't matter to anyone on here though. Who needs third party games?

I don't think anyone considers the Switch a "monstrous and powerful console" considering its power is somewhere in between the Xbox 360/PS3 and Xbox One/PS4 with it being closer to the former. Even with its lack of hardware strength compared to the competition, it's still a very successful console for Nintendo with its exclusives and the third party support it has gotten over the past 7 years. That being said, with the Lite being the exception, the Switch family is both a home and a handheld console. Hence why its considered a hybrid.



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More power would be helpful and there is a time where it's needed, but it cannot be something to be so overreliant on and doesn't really mean that much if a game isn't made well or is unpolished.

The Switch makes the most sense, purely because Nintendo has always ruled the handheld arena since the GameBoy; remember that plenty rival handhelds since then have (and still do today) easily outmatched Nintendo's handheld offerings on the power front but only the PSP put up a decent fight, and it still got massively outsold 2 to 1 by the DS family.



AHYL88 said:

More power would be helpful and there is a time where it's needed, but it cannot be something to be so overreliant on and doesn't really mean that much if a game isn't made well or is unpolished.

The Switch makes the most sense, purely because Nintendo has always ruled the handheld arena since the GameBoy; remember that plenty rival handhelds since then have (and still do today) easily outmatched Nintendo's handheld offerings on the power front but only the PSP put up a decent fight, and it still got massively outsold 2 to 1 by the DS family.

Even the worst-selling Nintendo handheld to date (since Nintendo lumps GB+GBC sales together) still clobbered Vita by an even bigger percentage than DS did to PSP.

Sony was probably twirling their mustaches when 3DS stumbled out of the gate. But once Nintendo took the bold price cut in Autumn 2011 followed by Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 in Holiday 2011, Vita's problems as it launched became self-evident.

Pokemon X/Y launching to success in October 2013 followed by Sony's own decreasing support for Vita by then effectively killed Vita's hopes of turning things around to become a threat to 3DS.

Nintendo indeed needs handhelds first and foremost. A hybrid that you can use as a home console is appealing but the added bonus. They make their killing in handhelds and handheld software. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

I personally would like to have two separate systems: a handheld and a home console, although I don't see the PS5/Xbox route with power a sustainable model.

However, out of those two options, Switch is the better one.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

I trust Nintendo enough to just go with whatever they decide to do. I love the Switch the way it is because even though I prefer playing on a TV, the portability eventually came in handy since I travel a lot for work now. As for graphics, it would be great to have Nintendo's games made with more powerful hardware, but we'll get there eventually. Besides, I love the way games look now because of Nintendo's artistic direction. Soon we'll be having a more powerful console and with it more support from third parties with their biggest games that simply don't run on the current Switch. I believe Nintendo was smart to pull back on hardware power back on the Wii days because that allowed them to stay relevant and financially sustainable as technology evolves and gets more expensive, specially since graphics nowadays have a really hard time impressing gamers.



Mr.GameCrazy said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well according to everyone on this site it's already competing with PS and Xbox. In fact, it's not just competing, it's thrashing them! So, the people here really aren't going to appreciate that question. They think that once that switch slides into that dock, it turns into a monstrous and powerful console that is the envy of Sony and Microsoft, even it was only powerful enough to run one big third party release all year. Sonic shadow generations. Doesn't matter to anyone on here though. Who needs third party games?

I don't think anyone considers the Switch a "monstrous and powerful console" considering its power is somewhere in between the Xbox 360/PS3 and Xbox One/PS4 with it being closer to the former. Even with its lack of hardware strength compared to the competition, it's still a very successful console for Nintendo with its exclusives and the third party support it has gotten over the past 7 years. That being said, with the Lite being the exception, the Switch family is both a home and a handheld console. Hence why its considered a hybrid.

The Switch has only received one big title one big third party title all year. Sonic shadow generations. How can anyone be happy about that and still defend the Switch? These devices are supposed to play games! Why defend a platform that isn't getting games?

Sephiran said:

I don't get your point. Switch is evidently competing with them when it comes to sales figures, not when it comes to power. A Nintendo home console could never compete with them on sales figures though, even if they could compete on power. A powerful Nintendo console wouldn't stop Square Enix from making new Final Fantasy games only for Playstation, and same for the other big third parties.

There's no point trying to have a rational discussion with him, he's just trolling.

I wasn't trolling actually. I just added a little sarcasm but what I said was still the truth. The only big third party game that the Switch has received this year is Sonic shadow generations. You just ran away from me in another thread and won't speak to me since, even though what I said in the other thread was also the truth. I have a thread without about 200 replies in it, so it seems like plenty of other people are willing to engage and talk to me on this platform?  

Last edited by Hardstuck-Platinum - on 01 December 2024