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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I forgot about things like the ROG ally and steam deck but I would like to change my answer anyway. A portable is a platform that contains a screen and battery and a home console is one that needs to be connected to TV and mains socket. Why should we do away with the distinction between portables and home consoles? They're both very different. Power and specs are irrelevant.

Evilms said:

THANK YOU for this post. A picture says 1000 words. All these platforms here are considered handhelds but can do exactly the same as the Switch. Why does the switch get a special category for it when all the others don't? It's not fair on the other platforms

Cerebralbore101 said:

What if the image they put on an old screen looks like a turd too? Whether you use a modern TV or a CRT PSP will only fill 1/3rd the screen. Certain TVs from 20 years ago had a "fill screen" mode and other input lag causing annoyances too.


PSP doesn't qualify as a hybrid because...

1. You needed to buy extra parts such as component cables and scalers to get it to play correctly on a TV. Switch has everything in the box ready to go.
2. It didn't have a separate control method outside of the portable mode. A.K.A. it didn't have a Pro controller or other non-handheld controller.
3. It could only play a small selection of games that were ported from PS2.
4. The 1K model didn't have the port to make use of external cables for TV play. That's the launch model.
5. You couldn't do 2 or more players on PSP without having a second unit.

Overall if you want to call the PSP a proto-hybrid, like the Wii U, or the Genesis Nomad I'll agree with that. Let's just agree that Switch finally got the hybrid concept right and did everything that hybrid systems needed to do. It was a revolutionary design.

Look at those pictures in this post I quoted. Does the PSP image on the TV look like turd? Looks fine to me. There is even a Dualshock 3 you can connect to it too.  It is not fair on all those devices to just call them "proto- hybrids' and the switch a full hybrid. This is not about me taking things away from switches success it's about not discarding that others have done the same. How is that fair?

1- Do we say the N64 didn't have rumble just because the attachable accessory to the controller didn't come included in the box? No we don't. You can't just disregard a consoles features because things didn't come in the box. 

2 - Yes it did. DS3 could be connected to a PSP go that was TV connected. 

3- What's the library got to do with a platforms features?

4- Switch lite is a strict handheld only and has no docking capability but people still call it a switch and include it's sales with the switch. If switch was true hybrid the sales would be separated. 

5- You can connect multiple controllers/phones connected to an android phone, have it connected it to the TV and play multiplayer on it, doesn't make it a hybrid. 

Haha, perhaps the PSP Go finally got the aspect ratio and scaling correct. I know the regular model PSPs did not. I would have to see it in person though because a lot of times crappy scaling will look fine until you see it in person.

Also, I will admit that there's no such thing as a hybrid system. You are either a handheld or not. The Switch just so happens to be a very powerful handheld for it's time and pricepoint in 2017. But to answer your thread, no the PSP is not a home console. It is a handheld like the Switch. Why? Because it can be played on the go without any extra hardware. No, PSPortal is not a handheld. It needs external stuff to play that isn't included. It's just a screen.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SuperJortendo said:

I'm not going to report some lighthearted trolling. I don't mind it.

Not trolling. It's just that the very weak counter arguments to my original point failed, then ganging up on me failed. Now people are resorting to calling me a troll to smear me and defame my character. 

What exactly have you succeeded in? You keep saying what everyone else failed at but you have nothing but failures on your resume as well. You haven't convinced anyone the Switch isn't a home console and no one has convinced you it is. Your whole point was trolling because it was always meant to just protect PS2 but don't worry the world will continue to compare them no matter how much it bothers you. If anything, things have gotten worse because when your nightmare happens (Switch outselling PS2), you will be one of the first posters we tag to gloat lol. Only thing you did was bring more attention to it. Sony labels them all as gaming systems, that is what invites the comparison. They are all gaming systems.



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well, you're a moderator so it's up to you if the thread stays up? I'll respect your decision if you don't want it to.    

If Nomad was built from the ground up to be a handheld, then why does it feature an extra controller port built into it's shell to support 2 player on the TV? sounds like it was designed for TV play as one of it's features. So, switch is not even close to being unique, it's just very popular on this website, and the Nomad isn't. That's the difference. 

But yeah, I don't want to argue with the mods because I'm already unpopular enough on this website. 

Because the Nomad's development history is different from that of the Switch. The Nomad is sort of a follow-up to the Mega Jet, a portable Genesis that was designed to be played on airlines (hence the name) and had AV out to connect to a plane's TV, but no screen of its own. The Nomad was designed to be fully self-contained handheld unit, but was conceived of and marketed as a way to play Genesis games on the go. The box itself says "Portable Game System," while the ability to connect to a TV is put third in a list of bullet points on the back rather than a front-and-center feature. AV connectors and the AC adapter were sold separately. And, as always, *batteries not included.


For people who wanted to play Genesis games at home rather than on the go, it was a lot cheaper to buy a Genesis. The Nomad was $179 when it launched in late 1995, plus however much the cables & adapters were. A Genesis could be purchased for $99 at that point. Basically, you would have had to really, really want to play Genesis games on the go to own a Nomad. Meanwhile, the Switch was designed from the ground up and marketed to be playable as both a handheld and home console. It had everything it needed to do both right out the box. It wasn't simply a handheld that just happened to have the option to connect to a TV. Rather, TV connectivity was a key feature. It was right there front and center. It's even in the name. You could easily "Switch" between handheld or TV mode.

Also, cool your jets with the victim complex. We don't lock threads over mere differences in opinion. Let's all be grown-ups here. We're talking about electronic toys here. It's not a matter of life or death.

Cobretti2 said:

The fact is Sony uses gimmicks like that to move more consoles, and I have no issue with it. To say that PS2 is the best selling console because it was only a game machine is to b naïve. Many sued it as a chap DVD player du to V players costing too much.

By time the PS2 was released, you could buy DVD players for half the price of the PS2. DVD players had already been on the market for three years and had dropped significantly in price.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Phenomajp13 said:

The crazy part is that you don't even see how ridiculous you look for pushing back at something the companies that created these devices are calling them. Who are the people that disqualify them from being hybrids? Sony calls PSP a handheld, why do you get to determine the creators are wrong? Nintendo calls Switch a portable home console.

Why do you get to determine if the creators are right? It's free for interpretation

LOL this has been something to read in an otherwise slow week so thank you all.

Personally outside of the Gameboy I have never been a fan of portable systems.  Even the Gameboy I bought the cumbersome add on that used a magnifying glass, had a couple lights against the display, and added a couple speakers to make that system more enjoyable to play and playable in the dark.

I use the switch 99.99% docked.  I like to play on the TV. I have extra docks at most of the TV's in the house.  I can start playing a game in the living room, move up to the office and then move into my bedroom if I want to.  I can move from room to room with it as simply as just picking it up off one dock and placing it on another.  No fiddling with cables because I have extra docks. Hell depending on the game I can do that without ever even pausing the game let alone power cycling the system as I move from room to room. TO ME it is a home console with portable functionality that I very rarely use. Hybrid seems a fitting term since it can be different things to different people. It's free for interpretation to each person to use it as a portable, a home console, or a hybrid of both uses.

Hybrid

2.
a thing made by combining two different elements; a mixture.
in this instance a device that easily offers a mixture playability in a fixed location on a larger screen or on the go

End of the day I do not believe it is anything more than an unimportant matter of semantics. Use the Switch to play as you want to play as long as you don't want to play VR.



Shadow1980 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Well, you're a moderator so it's up to you if the thread stays up? I'll respect your decision if you don't want it to.    

If Nomad was built from the ground up to be a handheld, then why does it feature an extra controller port built into it's shell to support 2 player on the TV? sounds like it was designed for TV play as one of it's features. So, switch is not even close to being unique, it's just very popular on this website, and the Nomad isn't. That's the difference. 

But yeah, I don't want to argue with the mods because I'm already unpopular enough on this website. 

Because the Nomad's development history is different from that of the Switch. The Nomad is sort of a follow-up to the Mega Jet, a portable Genesis that was designed to be played on airlines (hence the name) and had AV out to connect to a plane's TV, but no screen of its own. The Nomad was designed to be fully self-contained handheld unit, but was conceived of and marketed as a way to play Genesis games on the go. The box itself says "Portable Game System," while the ability to connect to a TV is put third in a list of bullet points on the back rather than a front-and-center feature. AV connectors and the AC adapter were sold separately. And, as always, *batteries not included.


For people who wanted to play Genesis games at home rather than on the go, it was a lot cheaper to buy a Genesis. The Nomad was $179 when it launched in late 1995, plus however much the cables & adapters were. A Genesis could be purchased for $99 at that point. Basically, you would have had to really, really want to play Genesis games on the go to own a Nomad. Meanwhile, the Switch was designed from the ground up and marketed to be playable as both a handheld and home console. It had everything it needed to do both right out the box. It wasn't simply a handheld that just happened to have the option to connect to a TV. Rather, TV connectivity was a key feature. It was right there front and center. It's even in the name. You could easily "Switch" between handheld or TV mode.

Also, cool your jets with the victim complex. We don't lock threads over mere differences in opinion. Let's all be grown-ups here. We're talking about electronic toys here. It's not a matter of life or death.


I just don't see how things like, how it's listed on a box, what it's pricing was, how it's marketed is relevant. Different People/businesses can market the same things differently. You say the "switch" feature is in the name, but the Switch Lite exists, and that has no feature to play on TV. There was always going to be some differences between the Nomad and the switch, as one came over 20 years before the other. Switch was always going to a better handheld to TV experience being so much younger. It's just the concept that I think matters, and I can't help but be surprised how many people believe the Switch is genuinely unique but, I think it's the speed and simplicity of how it Switches to the TV that has really Wowed people and made people believe this is the first VIABLE handheld to TV platform   



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Again why did you wait 7 years to ask and why does it even matter?



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
RolStoppable said:

Well, now that was easy. Usually someone tries to keep up a pretence when they create a troll thread, but I suppose you are pretty exhausted by now.

First you say that the Super Game Boy was just an SNES cartridge and can't function alone, then right afterwards you call it a true hybrid system. At that point you either suffer from severe brain damage or you are trolling; there are no other options left. But since your mind was clear enough to dodge the main portion of my post which you can't argue against, the brain damage option can be ruled out too.

You are a troll, plain and simple.

If it was a troll thread it would have been banned by the mods, and I would have also been banned too. Trolling/baiting is against the terms of use for this website so if you and others feel that way just report me. You can even start a thread if you want asking if you think I should be banned, I really don't mind. I know what conduct is required for this website. 

Yes, it appears that I contradicted myself, but I meant to use the word "technology" instead of "system". The gameboy cartridge is clearly not a system as it cannot function alone, but it's still way more of a hybrid technology than the Switch will ever be. The Super game Boy never tried to pass off as something it isn't like the Switch does. 

VGC isn't InstallBase where the mod team is on top of things. Over there your thread would have been nipped in the bud before any reports because the bad faith argument is so blatant right from the outset. But here the chances are high that nobody bothered to report your thread, because the Nintendo community here rarely does report threads and users. Since your thread has gone on for so long, it would require someone on the mod team to go through all the posts in order to define an appropriate punishment for you, but the usual course of action here would be to merely lock the thread and brush it under the rug with no punishment for you. This website has an overarching theme, whether it concerns the mod team or the community, of "don't really care anymore."

Long story short, the mod team's inaction does not imply, let alone confirm, that this isn't a troll thread.

You still haven't responded to my original post in a proper manner. I am not surprised you didn't, because I made an irrefutable argument.



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Leynos said:

Again why did you wait 7 years to ask and why does it even matter?



...to avoid getting banned for inactivity, I may have to resort to comments that are of a lower overall quality and or beneath my moral standards.

Leynos said:

Again why did you wait 7 years to ask and why does it even matter?

The Switch is about to become the #1 selling console ever so he's already starting to make excuses to say it doesn't count... because... it's a handheld.

It's a pointless semantics debate.



 

RolStoppable said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

If it was a troll thread it would have been banned by the mods, and I would have also been banned too. Trolling/baiting is against the terms of use for this website so if you and others feel that way just report me. You can even start a thread if you want asking if you think I should be banned, I really don't mind. I know what conduct is required for this website. 

Yes, it appears that I contradicted myself, but I meant to use the word "technology" instead of "system". The gameboy cartridge is clearly not a system as it cannot function alone, but it's still way more of a hybrid technology than the Switch will ever be. The Super game Boy never tried to pass off as something it isn't like the Switch does. 

VGC isn't InstallBase where the mod team is on top of things. Over there your thread would have been nipped in the bud before any reports because the bad faith argument is so blatant right from the outset. But here the chances are high that nobody bothered to report your thread, because the Nintendo community here rarely does report threads and users. Since your thread has gone on for so long, it would require someone on the mod team to go through all the posts in order to define an appropriate punishment for you, but the usual course of action here would be to merely lock the thread and brush it under the rug with no punishment for you. This website has an overarching theme, whether it concerns the mod team or the community, of "don't really care anymore."

Long story short, the mod team's inaction does not imply, let alone confirm, that this isn't a troll thread.

You still haven't responded to my original post in a proper manner. I am not surprised you didn't, because I made an irrefutable argument.

"I made an irrefutable argument" yeah b/c saying somebody either has brain damage or is a troll is an irrefutable argument lol. [edit - i didn't like my og post.] Tho i do kinda agree this forum should recieve some moderation intervention, and be put to rest. Is there any way we can all just report it, and hope we get the attention of some moderators? 

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