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Veknoid_Outcast said:

#35 - You could apply the title of another franchise game to this one, as long as there were enough [blank] to submerge an entire [blank]

#34 - This ambitious game came to NSO just last month, more proof that Nintendo and Microsoft are on great terms

#31 - While this game didn't introduce an important musical instrument to the series, it was the first to make it pivotal

My guesses here

35 - Wind Waker

34 - Banjo Tooie

31 - Ocarina of Time



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#34

Change YoY: -1   My Rating: 9.2 / 10

Although Dark Souls II is the weakest of the Fromsoftware Soulsborne games by quite a comfortable margin, that is only in relation to what are. in my opinion. some of the greatest video games of all time. In many ways, Dark Souls II feels like a very different game from the other two entries in the series, and not just because Hidetaka Miyazaki was less involved in its creation. The story and world are much less connected to the lore of the first and third games and especially the story of Gwyn, although in Scholar of the First Sin, Gwyn's breaking of the cycle of the world becomes a significant inciting incident for one of the major antagonists of the game. However, despite this relative disconnect, I find Dark Souls II a fascinating game from lore perspective. It feels much more of a human story, about the emergence and eventual downfalls of  numerous human kingdoms because of their own mistakes and hubris, while the other two games were more concerned with gods and the consequences of their actions.

Other notable differences include the world design, which is much less insular and connected than in DS1 and DS3. The various locations don't really wrap around each other or connect to one another, rather they are a series of long chains that shoot out from a central location. Neither is an inherently better choice, and both can result in exceptionally well-designed locations, though the general consensus is that overall DS2 is weaker in this particular aspect. However, Dark Souls II does also feature some of the best-designed locations in the entire series, specifically in the three DLC expansions, though weirdly, each of them also contains an optional area that is among the most infuriating areas in any Dark Souls game. The gameplay can also, at least in comparison to the other games, feel weirdly unbalanced and even disjointed at times, owing much to the slightly off-feeling hitboxes.

Yet, for all its faults, this is still at its core a Dark Souls game, and even at their weakest they tend to be superior to almost all other games that have attempted to copy their formula over the last decade-and-a-half. The beautifully bleak world, intriguing lore, challenging gameplay, and the excellent score are just some of the aspects of the game that I still love. It may be the worst of the Dark Souls games, but that only makes it the least great entry in the series. Even with so many soulslike games that have arrived in the wake of the series' success, none (that I have played) have yet to match the quality of even the weakest entry in FromSoftware's flagship franchise.



drbunnig said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

#35 - You could apply the title of another franchise game to this one, as long as there were enough [blank] to submerge an entire [blank]

#34 - This ambitious game came to NSO just last month, more proof that Nintendo and Microsoft are on great terms

#31 - While this game didn't introduce an important musical instrument to the series, it was the first to make it pivotal

My guesses here

35 - Wind Waker

34 - Banjo Tooie

31 - Ocarina of Time

All correct!



Might as well get to the next set of hints here.

#30

  • The origin of the dragon and the mad dog

#29

  • Shooting yourself in the head is no longer required

#28

  • Originally a Japan-only Sega Saturn JRPG, later released in the west on the PS1

#27

  • The game where the series' main antagonist earned his moniker, taking place before he defected and founded his own private mercenary company

#26

  • Literally fighting against fate, i.e. the canon of the original story


Darashiva said:

Might as well get to the next set of hints here.

#30

  • The origin of the dragon and the mad dog

#29

  • Shooting yourself in the head is no longer required

#28

  • Originally a Japan-only Sega Saturn JRPG, later released in the west on the PS1

#27

  • The game where the series' main antagonist earned his moniker, taking place before he defected and founded his own private mercenary company

#26

  • Literally fighting against fate, i.e. the canon of the original story

#29 is Persona 4 i think



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Guessed by @S.Peelman

No Man's Sky maintains its spot on the list somewhat (it's basically the same if you consider there's still one new entry to show up later), after rising up on it dramatically last year. I detailed back then how much of a rollercoaster this game has been on my rankings, but now it seems to be settling just outside the top 30. It's not great enough of a game to be in there, but it mattered more than enough to have a nice cozy unthreatened position on it.

I played this game tons last year, and had some great and memorable experiences that made it truly important to me. Maybe the fact that those experiences came seven years after first playing it added to that importance, in fact. This year, I haven't played it much at all, but obviously it still matters a lot to me, and I look forward to getting hyperfixated with it again sometime in the future after some random patch comes out adding lots of new content. Because yeah, even though Hello Games is making their newer bigger more ambitious game (have they learned anything?), it seems like No Man's Sky will just keep getting deeper and deeper.

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drbunnig said:

Current list - https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248646/post-only-once-the-official-thread-the-15th-annual-greatest-games-event/4/#4

37
- What was once dead, may fall and still rise again. Fire or decapitation may help in that regard.
- A remake of an influential game that was released six years earlier.

36
- Crowdfunded spiritual successor to a major, long running franchise.

37) REmake?

36) Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night?

Farsala said:

It seems main character hints are hard enough, so I will continue on like this. Unless you are similarly name blind as I, and gameplay elements are much easier to remember, hmmm.

47- Liu Bei and Mei Sanniang (Strategy), Himiko, Zhuge Liang, (NOT Lu Bu, or Wu)
46- Liu Bei, Sun Quan, Cao Cao (Tactics), Yuan Shao, Gongsun Zan, Sun Ce (NOT Jin)
45- Ace, Trey, King, Eight
44- Andrias Rhondarson, Fredret Lester, Iscarion Colchester, Waltaquin Redditch
43- Alain, Josef, Scarlett, Rosalinde
42- Adell, Rozalin, Tink, (much later) Laharl
39- Hagurumon, Palmon, Terriermon, Aiba
38- Luceus (Aurora), Yangus, King Doric, Jessica
37- Lazarel (Teresa), Desdemona, Terry, Angelo
36- Jack, Jed, Ash, Neon
34- Liu Bei, Sun Quan, Cao Cao (Soulslike)
33- Ryoma Sakamoto
32- Ringo

I mean I'm pretty sure the first two are "Dynasty" games, but I know nothing about the series. 46 could be Dynasty Tactics, don't know about the other.

Veknoid_Outcast said:

#35 - You could apply the title of another franchise game to this one, as long as there were enough [blank] to submerge an entire [blank]

#34 - This ambitious game came to NSO just last month, more proof that Nintendo and Microsoft are on great terms

#33 - This GBA remake includes an emulated version of the original

#32 - This PS3 game kickstarted a new sub-genre and inspired many recent works

#31 - While this game didn't introduce an important musical instrument to the series, it was the first to make it pivotal

33) Metroid: Zero Mission I think?

32) Demon Souls fits I suppose



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Eric2048 said:
Darashiva said:

Might as well get to the next set of hints here.

#30

  • The origin of the dragon and the mad dog

#29

  • Shooting yourself in the head is no longer required

#28

  • Originally a Japan-only Sega Saturn JRPG, later released in the west on the PS1

#27

  • The game where the series' main antagonist earned his moniker, taking place before he defected and founded his own private mercenary company

#26

  • Literally fighting against fate, i.e. the canon of the original story

#29 is Persona 4 i think

Correct.



UnderwaterFunktown said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

#35 - You could apply the title of another franchise game to this one, as long as there were enough [blank] to submerge an entire [blank]

#34 - This ambitious game came to NSO just last month, more proof that Nintendo and Microsoft are on great terms

#33 - This GBA remake includes an emulated version of the original

#32 - This PS3 game kickstarted a new sub-genre and inspired many recent works

#31 - While this game didn't introduce an important musical instrument to the series, it was the first to make it pivotal

33) Metroid: Zero Mission I think?

32) Demon Souls fits I suppose

Both correct!



mZuzek said:

Guessed by @UnderwaterFunktown

On the year Persona 3 got its remake, it rises up the list... a little. See, I never actually finished playing through Reload - I was playing it together with a friend whenever I visited him, so we made progress little by little until it just kinda fizzled out, understandably so because we've both played through the original.

Reload is weird. It's underwhelming in a lot of ways I wish it wasn't, but it's also a dramatic improvement over the original in mostly every area. I wish the graphics were better in Tatsumi Port Island. I wish the music hadn't been remade, or that at the very least they'd kept the original singer and not hired the frog choir to do the instruments in Mass Destruction. I wish the original voices hadn't been recast, even if the old cast was hit-or-miss, it was iconic and the new cast is hit-or-miss too. And I know I'm 100% alone on this, but I actually liked not having direct control over the other characters in the original - I know that's still an option in Reload, but I tried using it and it's obvious the game wasn't really made with it in mind, the AI is very bad.

Anyway I'm just rambling about the differences between FES and Reload like any of that matters. The point is: Persona 3 is great. Whatever version of it, really. And yeah overall Reload is the best, no question.

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I can relate to this a lot (big issue of remakes in general) though by the end it was probably only Akihiko and Aegis where I still preferred the original. And yeah the new versions of tracks are a bit up and down, but it also added a few bangers of it's own so I think the soundtrack is overall as good, just a bit sad that some tracks were basicly downgraded.



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