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Question is, how many exclusives switch had in its first 4 years. Every console gets best and many games in its late life cycle.



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AddRat said:
BraLoD said:

Sony is releasing very few new games? Maybe this year. Not like the PS5 didn't get a lot ot great games this year even as Sony got a slow year.

Sony new games since the PS5: Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, Sackboy: A Big Adventure, Returnal, God of War Ragnarok + Valhalla, Gran Turismo 7, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider Man 2 and Astro Bot... all pretty good or great games up until now.

You are sidestepping the matter of availability that was raised a couple of times already.

If you ever had a PS3, you can play the original TLOU. If you have a PS4 you can play the remaster. If you have a PS5, you could already play the remaster through BC but now you also have the second remaster. On top of all that, these consoles have sold 87, 117m and 60m and counting.

The only way to play XCX up until this release was on Wii U. A 13m selling console without any BC alternatives for its games.

For the record, I am fine with ports from all companies in 90% of situations. I do find the PS4->PS5 a waste when you can perfectly good version already available on the console. My point is that there is a pretty obvious reason that one remaster got a better reception than the other and it's not only a matter of different fanbases.

I'm not sidestepping anything.

You can play the original XC on Wii, Wii U via BC, 3DS and Switch, that was a response to the original TLoU trilogy point the person tried to make.

Wii also sold 100M copies and it did not prevent a lot of Wii games to get ported too, did it?

https://youtu.be/ZFyJ_0yZvns?si=PWyQIZYODLmQM507

https://youtu.be/NxlejUM1mRs?si=jiNfdiYKomgjDOR7

I'm also fine with ports from both Sony or Nintendo, if you see my initial response I'm happy to be able to get all 4 XC games on Switch.

The point in the other post about the inconsistency of treatment to both companies has not been sidestepped at all, I've answered every single comparision responded to me with either similar cases, even if XC franchise as compared to the TLoU response or that because Sony has gave their users more options it should not be a bad point for them, at all.

On the contraty, Nintendo abandoning the Wii U and it's adopters because of it's poor sales and porting everything away from it should be a bad for them instead, if the point is to be made.

Heck, twice in their last two "failed" consoles, the GameCube and Wii U, they held their most aclaimed franchise, Zelda, new game until they released their new system (Wii and Switch) to use it as a reason to make it sell better in detriment of the people that supported them in their "failed" console.



Greykun said:

Question is, how many exclusives switch had in its first 4 years. Every console gets best and many games in its late life cycle.

Close to 30



BraLoD said:
pikashoe said:

Half those are ps4 games. Even then that list is pretty short for a console on the market for 4 years. For comparison the switch in 23/24 has had. Fire emblem engage, tears of the kingdom, pikmin 4, mario wonder, wario ware, princess peach, endless ocean, emio, echoes of wisdom, mario party jamboree, mario and luigi brothership.

In the switch's life nintendo have released 50+ switch exclusive games not including remakes or remasters, Sony have released less than 10 ps5 exclusives. 

So because they have a PS4 version they don't exist? Sony released them and they are new games, excellent games nonetheless.

Gran Turismo 7, Horizon Forbiden West and God of War Ragnarok are stunning, more than almost every other title in the PS5. That makes no sense.

From those Nintendo games, most don't have the same kind of production value a Sony game does, games take more time and money to make when you scale them up, games like a new GTA, or Final Fantasy, or Breath of the Wild, don't come too often too, do they?

People keep this Playstation has no games early in the gen every single gen since the PS3 and when go look back at it there is a lot of great games on every one of them.

Never said that they don't exist. But at the end of the day they are ps4 games held back by that hardware that have some improvements for ps5 not proper current gen games. You may think differently and thats fine, but you can't force everyone to lineup with what you think.

There is absolutely nothing stopping sony from making smaller scale, smaller budget titles. Arguably the best game they've made in years astrobot is a much lower budget title than almost anything else they've released on ps5. 

Sony usually do start gens pretty slow but build up a great library as time goes on. But the ps5 has been by far the worst, we're 4 years in and it still feels like they haven't done much yet. Naughty dog haven't even announced a new game yet.



curl-6 said:

Character models and textures have been redone; not just a simple up-res like many Wii U ports on Switch.

Finally, huge improvement - they dont look like they are soul-less dolls anymore.



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pikashoe said:
BraLoD said:

So because they have a PS4 version they don't exist? Sony released them and they are new games, excellent games nonetheless.

Gran Turismo 7, Horizon Forbiden West and God of War Ragnarok are stunning, more than almost every other title in the PS5. That makes no sense.

From those Nintendo games, most don't have the same kind of production value a Sony game does, games take more time and money to make when you scale them up, games like a new GTA, or Final Fantasy, or Breath of the Wild, don't come too often too, do they?

People keep this Playstation has no games early in the gen every single gen since the PS3 and when go look back at it there is a lot of great games on every one of them.

Never said that they don't exist. But at the end of the day they are ps4 games held back by that hardware that have some improvements for ps5 not proper current gen games. You may think differently and thats fine, but you can't force everyone to lineup with what you think.

There is absolutely nothing stopping sony from making smaller scale, smaller budget titles. Arguably the best game they've made in years astrobot is a much lower budget title than almost anything else they've released on ps5. 

Sony usually do start gens pretty slow but build up a great library as time goes on. But the ps5 has been by far the worst, we're 4 years in and it still feels like they haven't done much yet. Naughty dog haven't even announced a new game yet.

Every gen the games take longer to make, yet Sony has not been slow at all, aside from this year, which they even said would be the case.

BotW is also a Wii U game and bigger in scope than most other Switch games aside from Xenoblade, so Switch also has few new games because most of they very likely could still be running on the Wii U and only are not because there is no money to be made in doing so?

PS5 games having PS4 versions have not stopping them from being some of the most impressive current gen games, have you ever played Gran Turismo 7 or Horizon Forbidden West on a PS5? Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 looks better than the exclusive Xbox Series Forza Motorsport which is newer and runs on a stronger console, the Series X.

Horizon Forbidden West is one of the prettiest games ever made. Can also run at 60fps, double the framerate than on PS4 while doing so.

What is being held back in those games exactly?

If the PS4 versions didn't exist then those very same games would now be counted? As other games inferior to them are? Makes no sense.



BasilZero said:
curl-6 said:

Character models and textures have been redone; not just a simple up-res like many Wii U ports on Switch.

Finally, huge improvement - they dont look like they are soul-less dolls anymore.

My compliments to the surgeon 👌



 

 

We reap what we sow

BraLoD said:
pikashoe said:

Never said that they don't exist. But at the end of the day they are ps4 games held back by that hardware that have some improvements for ps5 not proper current gen games. You may think differently and thats fine, but you can't force everyone to lineup with what you think.

There is absolutely nothing stopping sony from making smaller scale, smaller budget titles. Arguably the best game they've made in years astrobot is a much lower budget title than almost anything else they've released on ps5. 

Sony usually do start gens pretty slow but build up a great library as time goes on. But the ps5 has been by far the worst, we're 4 years in and it still feels like they haven't done much yet. Naughty dog haven't even announced a new game yet.

Every gen the games take longer to make, yet Sony has not been slow at all, aside from this year, which they even said would be the case.

BotW is also a Wii U game and bigger in scope than most other Switch games aside from Xenoblade, so Switch also has few new games because most of they very likely could still be running on the Wii U and only are not because there is no money to be made in doing so?

PS5 games having PS4 versions have not stopping them from being some of the most impressive current gen games, have you ever played Gran Turismo 7 or Horizon Forbidden West on a PS5? Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 looks better than the exclusive Xbox Series Forza Motorsport which is newer and runs on a stronger console, the Series X.

Horizon Forbidden West is one of the prettiest games ever made. Can also run at 60fps, double the framerate than on PS4 while doing so.

What is being held back in those games exactly?

If the PS4 versions didn't exist then those very same games would now be counted? As other games inferior to them are? Makes no sense.

I was going to do long reply, but there is no point. You have made your mind up and nothing will ever change it. I don't care enough to talk to a brick wall anymore, because you cannot fathom that people can think differently to you and it is a waste of time and energy talking to you.



pikashoe said:
BraLoD said:

Every gen the games take longer to make, yet Sony has not been slow at all, aside from this year, which they even said would be the case.

BotW is also a Wii U game and bigger in scope than most other Switch games aside from Xenoblade, so Switch also has few new games because most of they very likely could still be running on the Wii U and only are not because there is no money to be made in doing so?

PS5 games having PS4 versions have not stopping them from being some of the most impressive current gen games, have you ever played Gran Turismo 7 or Horizon Forbidden West on a PS5? Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 looks better than the exclusive Xbox Series Forza Motorsport which is newer and runs on a stronger console, the Series X.

Horizon Forbidden West is one of the prettiest games ever made. Can also run at 60fps, double the framerate than on PS4 while doing so.

What is being held back in those games exactly?

If the PS4 versions didn't exist then those very same games would now be counted? As other games inferior to them are? Makes no sense.

I was going to do long reply, but there is no point. You have made your mind up and nothing will ever change it. I don't care enough to talk to a brick wall anymore, because you cannot fathom that people can think differently to you and it is a waste of time and energy talking to you.

Actually I've been very open to discussion, tried to address every reply directed at me, have not escalated it and did not mistreat you or insult anyone else at any point, we could agree to disagree, and that would be fine, you sure have not conviced me and you can't agree with me either, but your answer was very unpleasant, seems like I'm not the one thinking someone else can't disagree with me if you have to try to throw shade at someone you are replying to in a talk about videogames.

I also do not care about your opinion, but up until now it was just a normal discussion, don't worry brother, I'll be pleased about you not talking to me anymore. Thank you very much.



AddRat said:
BraLoD said:

Sony is releasing very few new games? Maybe this year. Not like the PS5 didn't get a lot ot great games this year even as Sony got a slow year.

Sony new games since the PS5: Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, Sackboy: A Big Adventure, Returnal, God of War Ragnarok + Valhalla, Gran Turismo 7, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider Man 2 and Astro Bot... all pretty good or great games up until now.

You are sidestepping the matter of availability that was raised a couple of times already.

If you ever had a PS3, you can play the original TLOU. If you have a PS4 you can play the remaster. If you have a PS5, you could already play the remaster through BC but now you also have the second remaster. On top of all that, these consoles have sold 87, 117m and 60m and counting.

The only way to play XCX up until this release was on Wii U. A 13m selling console without any BC alternatives for its games.

For the record, I am fine with ports from all companies in 90% of situations. I do find the PS4->PS5 a waste when you can perfectly good version already available on the console. My point is that there is a pretty obvious reason that one remaster got a better reception than the other and it's not only a matter of different fanbases.

Yeah I don't think BraLoD is gonna win this argument, sorry BraLoD haha.

First off your list of new Sony games on PS5 is not impressive at all. Is that the entire list?? I hope not because there's barely any games on there. That's literally 2 games a year. Maybe if it was two years ago that would have been a decent list at least. That list looks about comparable to the Switch's 2017/2018, but for 4 full years that's pretty bad.

And yeah Sony is re-releasing games you can already play on the system, and that probably most Playstation gamers have already played on the PS3 or PS4 and can still play if they have their PS4 copy.

Nintendo releasing games from the WiiU (and occasionally the Wii or GC), which nobody can play on the Switch, and which barely anyone played on the WiiU (cuz ya know, it was the WiiU lol), which means Nintendo is bringing games that are brand new to the Switch and will be brand new to the vast majority of gamers. That is always going to be much more exciting than Sony releasing the same game for like the third time which can already be played on the system anyway. It'd be almost like if you could already play XCX on NSO and they are now trying to sell an updated version for as a full title...yeah that would not be interesting at all.

I am not a fan of this constantly re-releasing the same games over and over system after system. And that seems to be a strategy Sony has fully embraced. What Nintendo is doing is entirely different. If all these old games they brought to the Switch were again re-released next-gen on Switch 2 as updated versions of the same game that everyone can already play with bc on the Switch 2...that would be lame, and that would be what Sony has been doing. I have zero interest in Switch 2 re-releases of Switch games, but I have lots of interest in old Nintendo games that you can't play these days unless you kept your old systems or perhaps maybe I played before 15-20 years ago but never beat getting brought to Switch so that with the Switch (and presumably Switch 2 with backwards compatibility) we have a mostly complete library of all Nintendo's greatest games throughout time, but without having multiple versions of the same game on the same system lol