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We are in the early stages of World War 3...

Yes 16 28.07%
 
No 41 71.93%
 
Total:57
Bofferbrauer2 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I just wanna address two things here, the rest I'm not knowledgeable enough to talk on. You said the US has more military budget than China but we don't know China's true spending, it's all calculated from what can be seen as them spending but even those calculations are pretty high, half a trillion so half the US budget. They have much shrouded in secret, their Nuclear weapons programme for one and it wouldn't surprise me should they keep a lot of other R&D secret too.

Second thing, China has so many more fighting age men it's unbelievable. Even if there was a draft in the US they'd still have so, so many more. Not to mention so many US men will fail bootcamp for many reasons. If China wants to invade, they don't need military equipment, they need able bodied men and they have a lot of them and a lot tougher too than the US where so many are over weight. 

And how would they cross the ocean? The US has about 60% of all military vessels in the world by displacement, they could shut down the seas in an instant if they ever wanted to. Sure, China has 3 times as many ships... but half of them are coast guard patrol boats and the biggest chunk of the rest are small corvettes. Also, many of their bigger ships are getting old and outdated and simply cant keep up with the US Navy in any shape or form.

Besides, it's true that China has many more inhabitants... but they also have a shrinking and rapidly aging population, with their working age population shrinking more and more thanks to the one-child-policy and it's after-effects. China can ill afford sending it's able-bodied men and women into a conflict that will for sure end in the losses of countless Chinese if their population is already shrinking.

But the biggest Problem would simply be basic economics: Unlike Russia for instance, China has not only geared it's economy towards exports, but even doubled down on it twice when it would have been better to boost consumerism by raising wages in the country. Any war would totally crash their export-driven economy since there wouldn't be many left to export - especially not the rich western countries they rely heavily upon to keep their economy afloat, something that seems to become harder and harder now.

The only way China or anybody else for that matter, would be able to attack America on her own soil, is if they infiltrate secretly from within and cause major chaos through sabotage. It would all have to be coordinated and the key major sabotage and attack would have to happen in a close timeframe.

Then China, or whoever, better have a large coalition helping them attack, because while the Chinese coalition may outnumber the Americans (and Canadians), they sure wouldn't outnumber the stocked guns and ammunition being aimed at them.



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Yeah. Idk why I'm worried. Lol. 



No. I think we’re in the early stages of Cold War 2.

Part of what makes a “World War” scale war is the drastic social and economic changes to a full-scale war economy.

I only see World War economy happening if the US or multiple European powers go to the far right with Totalitarian features. But a modernized Cold War economy has been something the unscrupulous greed mongers in governments and corporate boards have been struggling for since the first Gulf War. Right now, the biggest threats for a potential World War 3 antagonist are MAGA/AfD/crypto fascism--all of which are falling in popularity and probably won't be significant forces in about 5 years.

China is too far, geographically, for the need of full scale war. Middle Eastern powers are far too insignificant. Russia is far too weak aside from nukes. That means the war goes two ways: the Kremlin regime folds like old newspaper to conventional warfare, or we're all destroyed by nukes. Neither leaves us with world war.

In a Cold War economy, the unscrupulous greed mongers are allowed to dig their hooks into government finance and regulatory bodies that dictate public enterprise and finance/direct large scale private enterprise. The powers can take liberties against free speech, locking people up on trumped up ideological grounds - like how Western libertarian Communists/Socialists/Progressives were often associated with the USSR despite being opposed to such totalitarian regimes.** People are more likely to let their governments and corporations abuse privilege and rake in the cash, because they're blinded by the conflict narrative(s) - and they have AI bots and tools now to further influence things (instead of making 20,000 people look like 20 million on social media, they can have 20 people look like 200 million). The majority of the population will think they’re under threat of world war, when (at least, right now for relevant conflicts involving the West) it’s just Ukrainians, Israelis, Taiwanese, Lebanese, Palestinians, and some Provincial Russians that are really under threat of having their lives destroyed on a massive scale. Those civilians and military combatants are the blood sacrifice to make the fight look dangerous for everyone - and thus more willing to turn a blind eye to the modern updates of the Congo rubber Industry, theft of Boer Gold, and MIC profiteering. Because that’s how these unscrupulous greedmongers get rich, and they always worm their way into governments and corporations.

**In the Cold War, there were a lot of silly pro-USSR people throughout leftist and progressive movements, and they confused the narrative between the more Marxian libertarian communists and the Leninist Marxist totalitarian communists... two nearly opposite political ideologies that happen to share almost the same name. It was enough to confuse many people on the left - I'm talking tanky types who had all the values of the libertarian socialists, but then wore funny Maoist hats. And considering that, you can bet almost every single person on the right half of the Western political spectrum saw mostly everything with social leanings, even unions, as USSR associates. Many people (left and right) don't have the brain capacity to understand that political labels that use the same words can mean completely different things, and confirmation bias can reinforce their ignorance. By confirmation bias, I mean that (as per the example) a right-winger, with a pre-existing negative view of BLM, seeing a single Mao hat wearing dude at a Black Lives Matter event with thousands of others probably reinforces their belief that Black Lives Matter is some anti-American movement because they appear aligned with (an outdated idea of) 1950s Totalitarian Red China.

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Jumpin said:

No. I think we’re in the early stages of Cold War 2.

Part of what makes it a “World War” scale war is the drastic social and economic changes to a full-scale war economy.

I only see World War economy happening if the US or multiple European powers go to the far right with Totalitarian features. But a modernized Cold War economy has been something the unscrupulous greed mongers in governments and corporate boards have been struggling for since the first Gulf War. Right now, the biggest threats to a potential World War 3 antagonist are MAGA/AfD/crypto fascism--all of which are falling in popularity and probably won't be significant forces in about 5 years.

China is too far, geographically, for the need of full scale war. Middle Eastern powers are far too insignificant. Russia is far too weak aside from nukes. That means the war goes two ways: Russia folds like old newspaper to conventional warfare, or we're all destroyed by nukes. Neither leaves us with world war.

In a Cold War economy, the unscrupulous greed mongers are allowed to dig their hooks into government finance and regulatory bodies that dictate public enterprise and finance/direct large scale private enterprise. The powers can take liberties against free speech, locking people up on trumped up ideological grounds - like how Western libertarian Communists/Socialists/Progressives were often associated with the USSR despite being opposed to such totalitarian regimes.** People are more likely to let their governments and corporations abuse privilege and rake in the cash, because they're blinded by the conflict narrative(s) - and they have AI bots and tools now to further influence things (instead of making 20,000 people look like 20 million on social media, they can have 20 people look like 200 million). The majority of the population will think they’re under threat of world war, when in fact (in this case) it’s just Ukrainians, Israelis, Taiwanese, Lebanese, Palestinians, and some Provincial Russians that are really under threat of having their lives destroyed on a massive scale. Those civilians and military combatants are the blood sacrifice to make the fight look dangerous for everyone - and thus more willing to turn a blind eye to the Congo rubber Industry, theft of Boer Gold, and MIC profiteering. Because that’s how these unscrupulous greedmongers get rich, and they always worm their way into governments and corporations.

**In the Cold War, there were a lot of silly pro-USSR people throughout leftist and progressive movements, and they confused the narrative between the more Marxian libertarian communists and the Leninist Marxist totalitarian communists... two nearly opposite political ideologies that happen to share the same name. It was enough to confuse many people on the left - I'm talking tanky types who had all the values of the libertarian socialists, but then wore funny Maoist hats. And considering that, you can bet almost every single person on the right half of the Western political spectrum saw even unions as USSR associates. Many people don't have the brain capacity to understand that political labels that use the same words can mean completely different things, and confirmation bias can reinforce their ignorance. By confirmation bias, I mean that a right-winger seeing a single Mao hat wearing dude at a Black Lives Matter event with thousands of others probably reinforces their belief that Black Lives Matter is some anti-American movement because they appear aligned with (their outdated idea of) 1950s Totalitarian Red China.

Probably the most accurate and realistic comment on the matter yet. Cold War still brings hot wars with it and could still lead to a hot war in the SCS however that would play out. But with China quickly trying to build out it's Navy it might be moving too fast, they had a submarine sink in harbour and tried to cover it up so we can hope we are a ways off of them pulling anything soon. In many ways a Cold War is worse, as you mention, imagine another 20+ year disaster like Vietnam or the horrible effects to one side of that with Korea that never gets resolved. Fuck, loom how the US destabilised the middle East and northern Africa so badly all Western nations are now paying the price with mass illegal immigration and that was in the most peaceful time on history. I know I'm ranting but I don't like the future even if it's just another Cold War. Fuck, if we have Cold War with the specter of ASI and that becomes the new nukes of the old Cold War that'll be as constant an anxiety as a hot global war. 



Man things are scary right now. Anyone looking at this and telling me this is normal behaviour is delusional. Cold War 2 or world war 3, either way it's getting intense. I feel as if there is a dark cloud hanging over us. 



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I can't imagine Trump leading world war 3, it just doesn't compute and I can't picture it. 😕 no matter which one wins, we're still fucked but damn, Trump leading the west in WW3 would be a disaster. Him going on twitter rants about every little thing that happens, oh man, it would be horrific. Trump says he'll reverse these wars but how in the fuck does he expect to do that, IDK, I don't envy you Americans, you never get any good choices in these elections, it's always the Devil or the Devil in Sunday clothing. 



LegitHyperbole said:

Man things are scary right now. Anyone looking at this and telling me this is normal behaviour is delusional. Cold War 2 or world war 3, either way it's getting intense. I feel as if there is a dark cloud hanging over us. 

By "this", you mean your thread? Yeah... you are definitely not behaving normally.



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LegitHyperbole said:

Man things are scary right now. Anyone looking at this and telling me this is normal behaviour is delusional. Cold War 2 or world war 3, either way it's getting intense. I feel as if there is a dark cloud hanging over us. 

You got to take a step outside and chill.



RolStoppable said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Man things are scary right now. Anyone looking at this and telling me this is normal behaviour is delusional. Cold War 2 or world war 3, either way it's getting intense. I feel as if there is a dark cloud hanging over us. 

By "this", you mean your thread? Yeah... you are definitely not behaving normally.

By this I mean Iran actually getting Glastonbury the Iron dome and leveling am airforce base, Russia looking to back Iran in the middle East while fighting in Europe. The world order is in question and the big swinging dick that is the US which is supposed to hold the world order together is in question itself on so many fronts. Shit is serious no matter how you slice it. Iran showed they aren't afraid of the US in the middle East, this should be a big red flag to everyone and the US is gonna let that slide, another red flag. 

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Ryuu96 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Man things are scary right now. Anyone looking at this and telling me this is normal behaviour is delusional. Cold War 2 or world war 3, either way it's getting intense. I feel as if there is a dark cloud hanging over us. 

You got to take a step outside and chill.

Probably. You gotta admit, the world feels like it's falling apart on all fronts. Everything hinges on the US being the big super power that they have been and it just doesn't look like they are, no matter which one of the shit picks gets elected. The whole world order hinges on Trump or Kamala, let that sink in. Iran showed they are not afraid of the US, let that one sink in too.