Absolutely, and this is why I can't see Sony aiming to sell just a few units of the Pro - they need to make up the cost at that premium. I expect the margins to be similar across all their units, the R&D cost alone won't be worth it unless they sell quite a few Pros. There's also the added strategy of fleecing us on disc-drive's and stands though. Selling one Pro, along with an external drive and a stand, probably has a really good margin. I can't imagine the drive or stand costing much to manufacture.
They absolutely want to make money on it, but I still think not giving Blu-Ray drive for that price is controversial... especially for 800€ in Europe.
"There's also the added strategy of fleecing us on disc-drives and stands though."
I would appear I agree with that statement. Their entire pricing strategy is wonky as hell, like I mentioned in my longer post. The value proposition is very poor.
Ohnoitsalex gave a pretty good explanation the PS5 Pro is even overpriced compared to a PC since it has a lot of added costs. Plus he gave the actual hardware needed to make it comparable to a gaming PC within almost the same price range.
Ohnoitsalex gave a pretty good explanation the PS5 Pro is even overpriced compared to a PC since it has a lot of added costs. Plus he gave the actual hardware needed to make it comparable to a gaming PC within almost the same price range.
Wow what a horrible video. The guys over at DF did a much better job at explaining the PC vs Ps5 Pro comparison. The 7700xt doesn't have the same features as the PS5 Pro and pretty much everyone has acknowledged that the 4070 is much closer.
Absolutely, and this is why I can't see Sony aiming to sell just a few units of the Pro - they need to make up the cost at that premium. I expect the margins to be similar across all their units, the R&D cost alone won't be worth it unless they sell quite a few Pros. There's also the added strategy of fleecing us on disc-drive's and stands though. Selling one Pro, along with an external drive and a stand, probably has a really good margin. I can't imagine the drive or stand costing much to manufacture.
They absolutely want to make money on it, but I still think not giving Blu-Ray drive for that price is controversial... especially for 800€ in Europe.
What's more, 120€ for the Blu-Ray drive. You can get an external Blu-Ray drive for PC for just 75€ and internal ones for less than 60€
Two units of $600 with 1TB and $700 for 2TB should have been the correct move by Sony.
From what I've seen, SSD prices are insanely high right now. Unless you're able to find one at a fairly hefty discount, you're not gonna find many 1TB NVMe's for $100. At least not many that reach the required PS5 speeds. So that would've been something Sony would've had to have eaten the cost of every 1TB PS5 Pro made. And with the PS5 having a heavily customized SSD, I imagine Sony got a much better financial deal on a 2TB for the Pro than a 1TB. And it's pretty clear the PS5 Pro is not going to be sold at a loss.
You'd need a Core i5 or Ryzen 5 system with something like an RTX 4070 to produce a technologically superior PC
Like we have all been saying, you can beat the Pro with way less powerful (and way cheaper) hardware than what the OP is claiming.
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And DF also points out CPU heavily games won't see a fps improvement.
But Digital Foundry's Richard Leadbetter, stated that a PC comparable to the PS5 Pro would cost a fair bit more. (19:30 into the video)
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Which is fair. PC is more expensive, I've never said other wise. My main argument in this thread was the ps5 pro isn't a rtx 4080, and it isn't. The OP has grossly exaggerated what is needed to match the ps5 pro.
PC being more expensive comes down to personal preference. PC games are cheaper, online is free, wider selection of games (e.g. my PC plays Halo & GoW) and emulation is amazing. I think the extra pricing is worth it.
But that doesn't change the fact the OP is just wrong for saying the Pro is a 4080. I didn't say PC was cheaper. I said PC was cheaper than the OP was claiming.
Also per your video, around the 20 minute mark, DF comments the extra cost of PC hardware is quickly offset by Sony charging for online, thus total costs need to be considered.
Ohnoitsalex gave a pretty good explanation the PS5 Pro is even overpriced compared to a PC since it has a lot of added costs. Plus he gave the actual hardware needed to make it comparable to a gaming PC within almost the same price range.
PC has a lot of added time costs though. Time / convenience is more valuable than money for people interested in a PS5 Pro / consoles over all.
You can call it a scam, but you'll never have to configure a game, never have to hunt for solutions online, never run into compatibility issues, and you don't need to put it together and install an OS, drivers etc on it.
I can save money too by peeling my own potatoes, cutting them in sticks and frying them in oil from scratch. Or I can buy a bag of 5 minute super fries, stick em in the air fryer and be eating in 5 minutes. Arguably fresh fries taste better, but I don't have time for that. Same thing with gaming PCs. I can make it look better, run better, save a couple bucks in the long run, however I just want to sit down and play at the end of a long day.
Anyway I see DF already debunked this.
And it was the same when the PS5 came out, lots of PC builds of comparable pricing with supposedly the same performance. Not sure who these cheap builds are for anyway. Gaming PC enthusiasts will want to have plenty overhead, not be bottle necked by 'comparable' performance. They want to have better looking graphics than on console. Those going for PS5 Pro are of the same mindset, but already passed on PC for lack of convenience. They're not suddenly going to abandon their library of games to muck around with a 'comparable' performance PC.
It's a shame Steam gave up quickly on the Steam PC. If that would have caught on with full support, optimized settings for all Steam games, it might get more people to abandon consoles. For mass market the onboarding experience needs to be as seamless as with consoles. You buy a box, put it next to the TV, turn it on, get greeted by Steam big picture mode and pick what to play. Then discover you can do a lot more with it.
Ohnoitsalex gave a pretty good explanation the PS5 Pro is even overpriced compared to a PC since it has a lot of added costs. Plus he gave the actual hardware needed to make it comparable to a gaming PC within almost the same price range.
PC has a lot of added time costs though. Time / convenience is more valuable than money for people interested in a PS5 Pro / consoles over all.
You can call it a scam, but you'll never have to configure a game, never have to hunt for solutions online, never run into compatibility issues, and you don't need to put it together and install an OS, drivers etc on it.
I can save money too by peeling my own potatoes, cutting them in sticks and frying them in oil from scratch. Or I can buy a bag of 5 minute super fries, stick em in the air fryer and be eating in 5 minutes. Arguably fresh fries taste better, but I don't have time for that. Same thing with gaming PCs. I can make it look better, run better, save a couple bucks in the long run, however I just want to sit down and play at the end of a long day.
Anyway I see DF already debunked this.
And it was the same when the PS5 came out, lots of PC builds of comparable pricing with supposedly the same performance. Not sure who these cheap builds are for anyway. Gaming PC enthusiasts will want to have plenty overhead, not be bottle necked by 'comparable' performance. They want to have better looking graphics than on console. Those going for PS5 Pro are of the same mindset, but already passed on PC for lack of convenience. They're not suddenly going to abandon their library of games to muck around with a 'comparable' performance PC.
It's a shame Steam gave up quickly on the Steam PC. If that would have caught on with full support, optimized settings for all Steam games, it might get more people to abandon consoles. For mass market the onboarding experience needs to be as seamless as with consoles. You buy a box, put it next to the TV, turn it on, get greeted by Steam big picture mode and pick what to play. Then discover you can do a lot more with it.
?Really? My ps5 games offer performance mode versus quality. Many offer 120 hz and most have RT as an option as well. Ps5 games do have configurations and settings. Not too mention PC has presets for games, so configuration takes a whopping 5 seconds?
And I fired up my ps5 today... had to update the system, followed by a controller update.
Also ran out of storage space last year and had to take my ps5 apart and upgrade the hdd.
I get your point PC requires more time, but I think you are exaggerating or going off antiquated historic views. Nvidia has Ready Now drivers... updating drivers is as easy as updating ps5 controllers.
The gap, both convenience and pricing, has gotten massively smaller between PC and consoles. That is just the reality.