What are you even talking about?  A bitch?  There is NOTHING LIKE THAT WHATSOEVER in what I said.  You are seriously trying to compare saying "he" by mistake to calling someone a bitch?  You are so incredibly dishonest with your arguments.  Nothing but strawmen and whataboutisms and trying to twist what people say.  And you have no fucking idea about how genuine my feelings were, which itself has nothing to do with you when the POINT of my post was to show that your "suggestions" comment was nonsense.

For the second quote, again, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  I say people get unfairly labeled if they criticize the writing or directing of a show and you turn it into something else completely?  Did you even read what I said before you commented?

All you're trying to do is throw up smokescreens, which makes this a waste of time.

This person is genuinely completely and utterly incapable of having an honest discussion. We’ve seen them do it over and over and still they continue to do it. Extraordinary. Not once have they addressed the core of what I’m saying, literally not once. I can see your frustration and I feel the same. It’s useless trying to engage with this person. (Just as a side, look! I’m using “they” to refer to a singular person as I don’t know their gender! Which is the correct way to use it in reference to a singular person).

As someone who usually argues with the left on their idealistic stance on certain issues, including gender ideology (including pronouns), diversity and immigration, I find myself in an odd conversation today.

When I first saw the trailer months ago, I saw a fiction space -based shooter, I cringed with little interest. I then saw the gameplay and was immediately put off. There wasn’t a single moment in which my brain questioned the lack of white characters in a world where one of the main characters is a green lizard and the other one is a hulk-like with blue skin and a red skull standing next to a yellow robot. The first time I am hearing about this lack of white male representation was just moments ago because of @curl-6 post, which was immediately corrected by The Pi Gi who presented a white male character…. but wait a minute, he’s not white enough because his name is Teo? What?

I agree the game looks like a visual mud, this is a problem in many GAAS and multiplayer titles have had recently, looking cartoonish with an overused colour palette that is clearly borrowed and immediately tiring to look at. I don’t have a problem with pointing this out, this is a a proper lesson to learn based on a real flaw the game has. What I do have a problem with is conflating talking points just to create a a space where a subset of people with deep-seated frustrations can start hysterically venting about things that have nothing to do with a video game, that again, has a cartoonish tone and filled with non human characters. It’s opportunistic, lazy, and low IQ. 

Maybe it’s my IQ, but “what race characters belong to” is the last thing or never on my mind. It's a video game and I don’t need to a replica of me or the real world to be able to feel a connection to fictitious characters or enjoy playing it. I don't have an obsession with DEI/LGBT either, and I am not looking for games that flopped to start making irrelevant points about identity politics, that sounds like a exhausting paranoia to have. 

@Curl-6: would be nice to have the direct quote, a while back you accused an ex firewalk dev of calling people with valid criticism "talentless hacks" when they were clearly referring to trolls, it might be an issue with your biased understanding rather than an actual agenda. 

Many years ago, there was a problem with a loud minority on the left seeking to find things racism everywhere they look, but these days, there is definitely a similar problem on other side of the aisle shouting WOKE at everything they see. It's hilarious. 

EDIT: for reference, I thought the "lack of people of colour" criticism levelled against FF16 to be equally lame and lazy. 

Sorry for using an exaggerated example.

You're saying you accidentally misgendered someone, and you're here complaining about his response.

Would you feel better about this analogy:

I had a friend named James, who preferred to be called Jim. I accidentally called him James once, and he got upset. James should know that I would never call him James. 

I'm just saying it feels like you're undercutting your own point. I'm not saying you did anything horrible. 

Sorry my post there was pretty crappy. I was in a hurry, and I'm exhausted. 

Yes it happens that people get unfairly labeled. What it seems to me, is that a lot of time genuine criticism can get drowned out by bad actors. 

The Last of Us Part II, some people had non-sexist complaints about the story, and they frequently got lumped in with the sexist complaints.

We could even talk about Concord, some people in this thread have literally brought DEI as a reason why the character designs are bad. 

Even left wingers on Era are complaining about the bad character design. 

I'm sure if Concord's popularity was more tilted, then people genuinely complaining about character design, would probably get lumped in with the DEI people.

What do you feel is the core of what you're saying?

I am genuinely trying to have an honest conversation. But it keeps feeling like you both are getting caught up on some minor detail. 

Like I deliberately used the word genuine with respect to the mistake part:

I described how his story could happen to anyone, and wasn't dismissive about the truth of his story. 

I've ever agreed with you two about certain aspects sometimes being true, and neither of you have acknowledged that.

I had to look at the trailers again looking for Teo (I blame you), I came across this:

Somehow the design and visuals are a massive improvement over whatever the actual game offers(ed), probably would've been much cheaper to make and made it slightly more unique too. 

The comment itself has been deleted, but what he said was that "whites must acknowledge their privileged position" and that those who don't are complicit in systemic racism: https://thatparkplace.com/concord-lead-character-designer-believes-whites-must-acknowledge-their-privileged-position-and-then-actively-work-for-equality-also-claims-the-judicial-system-is-white-supremacy/

He also claims the justice system is "white supremacy".

As for the talentless hacks comment, hating a game doesn't necessarily make someone a troll. The dev in question seemed to just be lashing out in general and being something of a troll himself:

Welp, that's it. Concord is offline: https://x.com/PlayConcord/status/1832107824295629044
R.I.P.

Hopefully this serves as a lesson to other devs and publishers on what NOT to do.

"Many years ago"?  Is that shorthand for "right now"?  Because posts blaming the death of Concord on racism and sexism are all over the internet.  This one from the Steam forums, for example:

Alright.  If you're saying you made a mistake with the second quote, I can accept that.

However, your analogy for the first quote still fails.

A)  I HAVE had friends call me by the wrong name but I DID NOT get angry over a mistake and try to make them feel bad for it.

B)  I have never CHANGED my name, demanded that my friends call me by the new name, then blown up at them the first time they called me by the old name.  I'm pretty sure I would be a lot more understanding considering they would be used to calling me by my old name.

Are you saying that YOU would yell at your friend and try to make them feel bad about themselves if they accidently called you by the wrong name?  Because that's the impression I'm getting.  If that's the case then we simply have two different ways of dealing with the world.

The core point of all of what I'm saying is that different people are always going to care about different things. It has nothing to do with what I want, it has nothing to do with how I think the world should be.

There are people who wouldn't care either way if they were misgendered.

There are people who would complain if they got called lady, even out of the people who complain that misgendering doesn't mean anything.

There are people who feel entitled to be called sir, since they served in the military. 

There are apparently an absurd number of people who feel upset when they see someone not standing during the anthem. Which unlike being called the wrong thing, has literally nothing to do with them.

Quantity is also going to affect how much people care about something. One person accidentally calling them the wrong thing, I doubt the vast majority of people would care. Throw in consistency and getting bullied with it, a lot of people who don't think they care would start caring about that.

The fact that you're asking me these things really makes me feel like you got so hung up on one sentence, that you didn't understand what I was saying earlier.