the-pi-guy said:
Majora said:
Yes, people have been arrested in the UK for misgendering or saying a man is not a woman. Mock this all you like as though I’m a liar or a fantasist, but it’s true. Your Rowling comment was pointless.ÂÂ
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I'm pretty sure the UK law is just about general harassment. I can't find anything about "misgendering" someone being illegal.Â
Harassment is pretty vague. Showing up at someone's house twice and calling them a nerd, would likely also get you arrested.Â
Majora said:
We don’t care about their pronouns or how they live their lives; we care that there are attempts to force us to pander to their whims and eccentricities.ÂÂ
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This is such a tired argument.
Conservatives constantly claim to not care about how people live their lives. Yet they make it illegal to talk about gay and trans people in schools. Complain about it every time they see pronouns in someone's twitter bio. Complain about men holding hands on TV shows. Ban books that even mention any of these things.
For people that don't care about pronouns, and how people live their lives, they sure seem to care a hell of a lot.
Majora said:
I wish I never had to hear about any of it, and let those people alone and everyone else could be left alone.
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There's a billion things i wish I didn't have to hear about. But I live in the real world, where people do all kinds of things.Â
Letting people alone, means that other people are going to care about things that you don't care about. They're going to want things that others aren't interested in giving them.Â
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You are breathtakingly dishonest, disingenuous and bad faith when having a discussion. You either ignored everything that has been said to you or are wilfully ignorant. You bring up so many different things, from suicides to “conservatives not liking gays holding hands on tv” to saying you’re pretty sure what UK law is and what has happened here when you’re told the contrary by an actual citizen of said country, and this just in this reply to me. To others you’ve ignored, gaslit, strawmanned and generally done everything but address the point pretty much all of us have had as the thing we care about most - being compelled or forced to use language or face pretty serious consequences.
I don’t think you care about trans people at all; I think you care about appearing on the “right side of history” and in the process make life more miserable for trans and non trans people alike. The only people who seem to glean joy from this shit show are trans activists who for the most part aren’t even trans themselves. You said “ There's a billion things i wish I didn't have to hear about. But I live in the real world, where people do all kinds of things.” Again, wow, this is staggeringly bad faith. Why? Because, and I can’t believe I have to say this yet again, but whether you believe me or not, I DO NOT CARE what people do AS LONG AS IT DOESNT INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS OR FREEDOMS. The moment it does, I take notice and I care.
Also, I am a gay man whose partner is non white. Why do I mention this? Just so that you may understand that this isn’t about anything else (you brought up conservatives) EXCEPT for being compelled to use language that I do not want to use. That’s it. And it is a hill I, and many others, will absolutely die on. I’m absolutely happy to live in a world where people have all kinds of ways of living and ideas, but I refuse to live my life under the boot of some nasty little characters who, in their own misery want everyone else to be miserable as well.
Finally, unless you miraculously begin to respond to my actual point and just fire off the replies ready in your head, which often aren’t actually a response to anything I’ve actually said, I won’t respond to you directly anymore. Have an honest, open and frank discussion or else there is no use in having any dialogue between us.