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Forums - Politics Discussion - UK riots. Are they all far right? (Poll)

 

These riots are caused by...

Solely far right 3 30.00%
 
Some Far right, mostly normal people. 2 20.00%
 
Mostly normal people 3 30.00%
 
An even mix of both. 2 20.00%
 
Total:10

I think these riots have surpassed the 2011 riots and George Floyd riots in severity but I see everyone is calling these rioters far right. Yes I'm sure there are far right instigators and people taking advantage of it just like the far left took advantage of the George Gloyd riots but it seems mainly like ordinary blue collar people. 

The misinformation on the killer of the three girls just seems to be the staw that broke the camels back and normal people's frustrations have been pressed to their limits. The more they label them far right the more division they cause and the more they make this problem worse. I hate riots, I wish they'd stop but when they occur it's a sign that the rioters frustrations have bases routed in reality and there is an issue that needs fixing as there was with George Floyd riots. I can't understand why Keir Stammer is just writing off his peoples concerns and frustrations. Demonising them. I'm neordivergent so I might be missing something here. 

Do you believe this is solely a far right thing and the majority or middle of the road people fed up with the Governemnt and the trying times we find ourselves in? Do you think the UK Governemnt is handling it properly and what are your thoughts on the violence. 

From Wikipedia for those whobneed a refresher...

Far-right protesters have rioted in various parts of England, and in Northern Ireland,[a] since 30 July 2024, which has been the worst public disturbance since the 2011 England riots.[16][17] This followed a mass stabbing of children in Southport on 29 July. The initial riot in Southport and subsequent riots elsewhere have been linked to disinformation on social media, in addition to pre-existing Islamophobic,[18][19][20] racist[21][22] and anti-immigrant sentiment.[23][24][25] The fascist National FrontBritain First and British Movement spread misinformation online,[26][27][3] and members of the neo-Nazi group Patriotic Alternative were involved in the Southport riot

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In general I am not a fan of labeling people.

If one is critical of e.g. Israels actions in Gaza, it does not make one an anti-semite. If one is critical of mass immigration, it does not make one a Xenophobe or racist.

Labeling people to be part of a extreme group is a way of shaming people with the objective to trivialize their point of view on any given subject. Essentially to discourage open discussion.

The UK protest should be about the why. Why do these happen, where does the frustration of people come from to take it to the streets. Just labeling them this or that is not helpful at all. In this regard, I think the wiki page mentioned above is quite shameful.

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Tober said:

Edit, duplicate.



Tober said:

In general I am not a fan of labeling people.

If one is critical of e.g. Israels actions in Gaza, it does not make one an anti-semite. If one is critical of mass immigration, it does not make one a Xenophobe or racist.

Labeling people to be part of a extreme group is a way of shaming people with the objective to trivialize their point of view on any given subject. Essentially to discourage open discussion.

The UK protest should be about the why. Why do these happen, where does the frustration of people come from to take it to the streets. Just labeling them this or that is not helpful at all. In this regard, I think the wiki page mentioned above is quite shameful.

Exactly. You said it better than I ever could. Hearing the Prime Minister is making me, a completely middle of the road centrist with leanings towards the left, resentful. I feel there needs to be something done about immigration but I'm far, far from right wing. Of course the rioting is the worst way to go about it but people aren't being listened to, what else did they expect to happen. He's making it worse by blanketly labaling these people as far right. 



Tober said:

In general I am not a fan of labeling people.

If one is critical of e.g. Israels actions in Gaza, it does not make one an anti-semite. If one is critical of mass immigration, it does not make one a Xenophobe or racist.

Labeling people to be part of a extreme group is a way of shaming people with the objective to trivialize their point of view on any given subject. Essentially to discourage open discussion.

The UK protest should be about the why. Why do these happen, where does the frustration of people come from to take it to the streets. Just labeling them this or that is not helpful at all. In this regard, I think the wiki page mentioned above is quite shameful.

Agreed.  I tried explaining that in the political thread but nobody wanted to hear it.  Too many clutch their labels like pearls.  



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An 17 year old killed 3 children, before any information came to light, far-right grifters like Nigel Farage, Andrew Tate, Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon were spreading bullshit that the killer was an illegal immigrant from a boat, likely inflamed by Russian bots, only for it to come to light that the 17 year old was born in the UK but that hasn't stopped people from rioting and blaming immigrants and Muslims, despite the kid being neither of those things so yeah, it's mostly far-right and the majority of the UK is ashamed by them. Half of these dudes probably don't even know what they're rioting for, just an excuse to trash the place and spread their racist shit.

Where were the riots against white people when Lucy Letby murdered seven infants? Where were the riots when Kyle Clifford, a former soldier and man born in Britain, killed a mother and her two daughters with a crossbow? Where were the riots when Marcus Monzo (a white man) killed a 14 year old black boy with a sword? We understood that one person doesn't represent an entire community but a black person kills 3 children and it's suddenly "fuck all Muslims, fuck all immigrants, fuck anyone we don't perceive as British"

I bet these twats don't even know the names of the children killed, they just use them as an excuse to spread their hate. Libraries burnt down, hotels housing immigrants set on fire, violence across the country, multiple stabbings, videos of groups stopping cars in the street to make sure there's white "British" people inside, Black man beaten by a mob, an Asian man stabbed at a train station, rioters pelting bricks at police officers, setting police cars on fire, mosques attacked, shops looted and destroyed, Citizens Advice building set alight, taxi drivers forced out of work due to safety fears, an Asian man dragged out of his car while they called him "P**i" and trashed his vehicle. I'm genuinely fearful for all my non-white friends in the UK right now.

No it's not being handled well, it's not being handled tough enough, cops have been kid-gloves with them and things have only escalated. Of course that twat Elon Musk is desperately trying to will "civil war" into existence too. Thankfully it's not all bad, some counter-protests have been larger than the protesters and many people coming together to clean-up after the destruction they've caused and defending non-white people in their communities. When even DailyMail is calling you out, you should realise you're doing something wrong.

Liverpool Library Torched by Far-Right Rioters Receives £50,000 in Donations in One Day for Books | The Independent

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Chrkeller said:
Tober said:

In general I am not a fan of labeling people.

If one is critical of e.g. Israels actions in Gaza, it does not make one an anti-semite. If one is critical of mass immigration, it does not make one a Xenophobe or racist.

Labeling people to be part of a extreme group is a way of shaming people with the objective to trivialize their point of view on any given subject. Essentially to discourage open discussion.

The UK protest should be about the why. Why do these happen, where does the frustration of people come from to take it to the streets. Just labeling them this or that is not helpful at all. In this regard, I think the wiki page mentioned above is quite shameful.

Agreed.  I tried explaining that in the political thread but nobody wanted to hear it.  Too many clutch their labels like pearls.  

I've often tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you are seriously annoying the fuck out of me lately with your snowflake attitude because people debated you in the politics thread and now you're coming here to moan about it some more, what is happening in the UK right now is disgusting and you're moaning about what happened in the Election Thread still. What did they do?! You weren't moderated. You had a debate with some people, you dipped out but you're still complaining about it in every other thread you get the chance to.

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Btw the reason people have edits is because I tried to remove the bold but I couldn't figure out how to do it.



Ryuu96 said:

An 17 year old killed 3 children, before any information came to light, far-right grifters like Nigel Farage, Andrew Tate, Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon were spreading bullshit that the killer was an illegal immigrant from a boat, likely inflamed by Russian bots, only for it to come to light that the 17 year old was born in the UK but that hasn't stopped people from rioting and blaming immigrants and Muslims, despite the kid being neither of those things so yeah, it's mostly far-right and the majority of the UK is ashamed by them. Half of these dudes probably don't even know what they're rioting for, just an excuse to trash the place and spread their racist shit.

Where were the riots against white people when Lucy Letby murdered seven infants? Where were the riots when Kyle Clifford, a former soldier and man born in Britain, killed a mother and her two daughters with a crossbow? Where were the riots when Marcus Monzo (a white man) killed a 14 year old black boy with a sword? We understood that one person doesn't represent an entire community but a black person kills 3 children and it's suddenly "fuck all Muslims, fuck all immigrants, fuck anyone we don't perceive as British"

I bet these twats don't even know the names of the children killed, they just use them as an excuse to spread their hate. Libraries burnt down, hotels housing immigrants set on fire, violence across the country, multiple stabbings, videos of groups stopping cars in the street to make sure there's white "British" people inside, Black man beaten by a mob, an Asian man stabbed at a train station, rioters pelting bricks at police officers, setting police cars on fire, mosques attacked, shops looted and destroyed, Citizens Advice building set alight, taxi drivers forced out of work due to safety fears, an Asian man dragged out of his car while they called him "P**i" and trashed his vehicle. I'm genuinely fearful for all my non-white friends in the UK right now.

No it's not being handled well, it's not being handled tough enough, cops have been kid-gloves with them and things have only escalated. Of course that twat Elon Musk is desperately trying to will "civil war" into existence too. Thankfully it's not all bad, some counter-protests have been larger than the protesters and many people coming together to clean-up after the destruction they've caused and defending non-white people in their communities. When even DailyMail is calling you out, you should realise you're doing something wrong.

Liverpool Library Torched by Far-Right Rioters Receives £50,000 in Donations in One Day for Books | The Independent

Why is this so different than George Floyd riots which everyone was supporting? 19 people died in those protests. So many innocent people lost their livelihoods but did you see the people in power denouncing and labeling everyone communists or anarchists. No. There's a double standard. Again, I'm very neordivergent so I can't understand why this is the case, it makes no sense. 



LegitHyperbole said:
Ryuu96 said:

An 17 year old killed 3 children, before any information came to light, far-right grifters like Nigel Farage, Andrew Tate, Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon were spreading bullshit that the killer was an illegal immigrant from a boat, likely inflamed by Russian bots, only for it to come to light that the 17 year old was born in the UK but that hasn't stopped people from rioting and blaming immigrants and Muslims, despite the kid being neither of those things so yeah, it's mostly far-right and the majority of the UK is ashamed by them. Half of these dudes probably don't even know what they're rioting for, just an excuse to trash the place and spread their racist shit.

Where were the riots against white people when Lucy Letby murdered seven infants? Where were the riots when Kyle Clifford, a former soldier and man born in Britain, killed a mother and her two daughters with a crossbow? Where were the riots when Marcus Monzo (a white man) killed a 14 year old black boy with a sword? We understood that one person doesn't represent an entire community but a black person kills 3 children and it's suddenly "fuck all Muslims, fuck all immigrants, fuck anyone we don't perceive as British"

I bet these twats don't even know the names of the children killed, they just use them as an excuse to spread their hate. Libraries burnt down, hotels housing immigrants set on fire, violence across the country, multiple stabbings, videos of groups stopping cars in the street to make sure there's white "British" people inside, Black man beaten by a mob, an Asian man stabbed at a train station, rioters pelting bricks at police officers, setting police cars on fire, mosques attacked, shops looted and destroyed, Citizens Advice building set alight, taxi drivers forced out of work due to safety fears, an Asian man dragged out of his car while they called him "P**i" and trashed his vehicle. I'm genuinely fearful for all my non-white friends in the UK right now.

No it's not being handled well, it's not being handled tough enough, cops have been kid-gloves with them and things have only escalated. Of course that twat Elon Musk is desperately trying to will "civil war" into existence too. Thankfully it's not all bad, some counter-protests have been larger than the protesters and many people coming together to clean-up after the destruction they've caused and defending non-white people in their communities. When even DailyMail is calling you out, you should realise you're doing something wrong.

Liverpool Library Torched by Far-Right Rioters Receives £50,000 in Donations in One Day for Books | The Independent

Why is this so different than George Floyd riots which everyone was supporting? 19 people died in those protests. So many innocent people lost their livelihoods but did you see the people in power denouncing and labeling everyone communists or anarchists. No. There's a double standard. Again, I'm very neordivergent so I can't understand why this is the case, it makes no sense. 

Democrat politicians did denounce the violence caused by the George Floyd protests? But I'm not American, so I can't say how the public at large reacted to it. However, what I would say is the George Floyd protests were a result of an American cop killing a black man using negligent force (as too often happens in America), the current protests in the UK are a result of Misinformation spread by Far-Right grifters and now Immigrants/Muslims are being attacked because a Black British Born teenager killed 3 children.

Now answer me why people didn't riot like this when Lucy Letby killed 7 infants? When Kyle Clifford killed 3 people with a crossbow? When Marcus Monzo killed a black boy with a sword? The latter two things happened this year. We somehow understand that those white people don't represent all white people but we can't understand that a black British born person doesn't represent all immigrants and Muslims...Despite the dude not even being an immigrant or Muslim!