By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Digital Foundry: Best graphics on Nintendo Switch

curl-6 on 05 August 2024
zeldaring said:
curl-6 said:

BOTW is more demanding than Black Flag, we can measure this by how they perform; Black Flag on Switch is a dynamic 1080p while BOTW is a dynamic 900p because its heavier on the hardware.

Botw is  rushed port, it should easily get to 1080p dynamic resolution when you compare it to wiiu specs. Besides by the same token AC black flag ran like crap on WiiU.

Botw port was a very unimpressive effort by nintendo. I think we can all agree with that.

I honestly get confused of why people get offended if you name a last gen one of the best looking  games on switch. mean, while they name botw that ran on system that several developers Said was on par with last gen or weaker but ok.

There's no evidence that BOTW was a rushed port. It's just a demanding game with many intensive effects, more so than Black Flag or RDR1. Pemalite has already explained to you several times that a game using stylized art direction does not make it inherently less demanding.

This thread is not about Wii U, so stop derailing.



Around the Network
Pemalite on 05 August 2024
Kynes said:

I am surprised that a user is allowed to talk so openly about piracy, years ago it was almost an instant ban, now there are users who brag about emulating a system on their laptop and nobody does anything about it.

Emulation itself is not illegal, all the console manufacturers do it and even video game publishers do it.

The grey area is in the distribution, duplication and circumvention of copy protection for the software, which does vary from region to region rather greatly.

curl-6 said:

BOTW is more demanding than Black Flag, we can measure this by how they perform; Black Flag on Switch is a dynamic 1080p while BOTW is a dynamic 900p because its heavier on the hardware.

Breath of the Wild also requires more hardware resources during emulation. More demanding games tend to do that.

zeldaring said:

Botw is  rushed port, it should easily get to 1080p dynamic resolution when you compare it to wiiu specs. Besides by the same token AC black flag ran like crap on WiiU.

I am going to assume you are taking the (excuse my Australian) piss.

What empirical evidence do you have that it's a rushed port?

zeldaring said:

Botw port was a very unimpressive effort by nintendo. I think we can all agree with that.

It was bare bones essentially being only a resolution bump. But who cares? The base WiiU GPU hardware is better than the 360 and PS3, so games ported from WiiU to Switch tend not to drive other visual features.

zeldaring said:

 mean, while they name botw that ran on system that several developers Said was on par with last gen or weaker but ok.

I already provided evidence prior in this thread that has empirically determined this statement to be blatantly false.

Stop ignoring evidence to push your own agenda.

zeldaring said:
While recently Darksiders II developer Vigil Games said Wii U is "on par" with current generation consoles, now a band of anonymous developers have spoken out to Games Industry.biz about the machine's power, claiming it's not got quite as much grunt as its current opposition.

One anonymous developer said:

No, it's not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360. The graphics are just not as powerful.
Which was backed up by a second, also anonymous dev:

Yeah, that's true. It doesn't produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360. There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up.

So what's the problem with 360 when developers that makes games say it's on par with last gen or weaker. If 360 is a problem then wiiu should be as well. TeraScale 2 was 2009 so t developers were familiar with it. 360 and ps3 could also do pbr.


Here is counter evidence: https://www.eurogamer.net/a-chat-about-the-power-of-the-wii-u-with-the-developer-of-a-wii-u-launch-title

That's two sources from me.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

zeldaring on 05 August 2024
curl-6 said:
zeldaring said:

Botw is  rushed port, it should easily get to 1080p dynamic resolution when you compare it to wiiu specs. Besides by the same token AC black flag ran like crap on WiiU.

Botw port was a very unimpressive effort by nintendo. I think we can all agree with that.

I honestly get confused of why people get offended if you name a last gen one of the best looking  games on switch. mean, while they name botw that ran on system that several developers Said was on par with last gen or weaker but ok.

There's no evidence that BOTW was a rushed port. It's just a demanding game with many intensive effects, more so than Black Flag or RDR1. Pemalite has already explained to you several times that a game using stylized art direction does not make it inherently less demanding.

This thread is not about Wii U, so stop derailing.

Gtav uses pbr it's a 360 game. Still weather you prefer black flag or that is debatable 

So you think the switch is only capable of doing wiiu graphics at 900p and and slightly better framerate. I think its way more capable then that, ports prove it's a way more powerful then wiiu. That's Nintendo just being lazy.

Last edited by zeldaring - on 05 August 2024

zeldaring on 05 August 2024
Pemalite said:
Kynes said:

I am surprised that a user is allowed to talk so openly about piracy, years ago it was almost an instant ban, now there are users who brag about emulating a system on their laptop and nobody does anything about it.

Emulation itself is not illegal, all the console manufacturers do it and even video game publishers do it.

The grey area is in the distribution, duplication and circumvention of copy protection for the software, which does vary from region to region rather greatly.

curl-6 said:

BOTW is more demanding than Black Flag, we can measure this by how they perform; Black Flag on Switch is a dynamic 1080p while BOTW is a dynamic 900p because its heavier on the hardware.

Breath of the Wild also requires more hardware resources during emulation. More demanding games tend to do that.

zeldaring said:

Botw is  rushed port, it should easily get to 1080p dynamic resolution when you compare it to wiiu specs. Besides by the same token AC black flag ran like crap on WiiU.

I am going to assume you are taking the (excuse my Australian) piss.

What empirical evidence do you have that it's a rushed port?

zeldaring said:

Botw port was a very unimpressive effort by nintendo. I think we can all agree with that.

It was bare bones essentially being only a resolution bump. But who cares? The base WiiU GPU hardware is better than the 360 and PS3, so games ported from WiiU to Switch tend not to drive other visual features.

zeldaring said:

 mean, while they name botw that ran on system that several developers Said was on par with last gen or weaker but ok.

I already provided evidence prior in this thread that has empirically determined this statement to be blatantly false.

Stop ignoring evidence to push your own agenda.

zeldaring said:
While recently Darksiders II developer Vigil Games said Wii U is "on par" with current generation consoles, now a band of anonymous developers have spoken out to Games Industry.biz about the machine's power, claiming it's not got quite as much grunt as its current opposition.

One anonymous developer said:

No, it's not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360. The graphics are just not as powerful.
Which was backed up by a second, also anonymous dev:

Yeah, that's true. It doesn't produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360. There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up.

So what's the problem with 360 when developers that makes games say it's on par with last gen or weaker. If 360 is a problem then wiiu should be as well. TeraScale 2 was 2009 so t developers were familiar with it. 360 and ps3 could also do pbr.


Here is counter evidence: https://www.eurogamer.net/a-chat-about-the-power-of-the-wii-u-with-the-developer-of-a-wii-u-launch-title

That's two sources from me.

Yea I see them as developers trying to  sell/hype there games but the fact is those developers saying it's weaker were right in 90% of the ports that wiiu could not keep up. So I choose to believe them and you can choose to believe what you want and ignore 90% of ports. 



curl-6 on 05 August 2024
zeldaring said:
curl-6 said:

There's no evidence that BOTW was a rushed port. It's just a demanding game with many intensive effects, more so than Black Flag or RDR1. Pemalite has already explained to you several times that a game using stylized art direction does not make it inherently less demanding.

This thread is not about Wii U, so stop derailing.

Gtav uses pbr it's a 360 game. Still weather you prefer black flag or that is debatable 

So you think the switch is only capable of doing wiiu graphics at 900p and and slightly better framerate. I think its way more capable then that, ports prove it's a way more powerful then wiiu. That's Nintendo just being lazy

Do you have a source on GTAV on PS3/360 using PBR? Not saying it didn't, just cannot verify via Google.

And Switch is much more powerful than Wii U, hence why BOTW on Wii U drops to sub-HD and often falls to around 20fps but is 900-810p and a mostly rock solid 30fps on Switch.



Around the Network
Chrkeller on 05 August 2024
curl-6 said:
zeldaring said:

Gtav uses pbr it's a 360 game. Still weather you prefer black flag or that is debatable 

So you think the switch is only capable of doing wiiu graphics at 900p and and slightly better framerate. I think its way more capable then that, ports prove it's a way more powerful then wiiu. That's Nintendo just being lazy

Do you have a source on GTAV on PS3/360 using PBR? Not saying it didn't, just cannot verify via Google.

And Switch is much more powerful than Wii U, hence why BOTW on Wii U drops to sub-HD and often falls to around 20fps but is 900-810p and a mostly rock solid 30fps on Switch.

Probably as simple as more ram than being much more powerful.

Resolution and fps eat vram.  



curl-6 on 05 August 2024
Chrkeller said:
curl-6 said:

Do you have a source on GTAV on PS3/360 using PBR? Not saying it didn't, just cannot verify via Google.

And Switch is much more powerful than Wii U, hence why BOTW on Wii U drops to sub-HD and often falls to around 20fps but is 900-810p and a mostly rock solid 30fps on Switch.

Probably as simple as more ram than being much more powerful.

Resolution and fps eat vram.  

Having more than three times as much RAM at twice the bandwidth does help, but not just that; its CPU and GPU are superior too. Not by a whole generation of course, but enough that the results can look noticeably better, as we can see when comparing both the same games on both systems, and also Wii U games to their Switch sequels.



Leynos on 05 August 2024

This thread is just ruined and fucked. Why even keep it open if he is not thread-banned? Like we could be talking about best-looking Switch games and maybe upcoming lookers like Metroid Prime 4. But no we went from derailed about RDR/Wii U/AC/GTA/360/PS3. Anything but the topic.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

zeldaring on 05 August 2024
curl-6 said:
zeldaring said:

Gtav uses pbr it's a 360 game. Still weather you prefer black flag or that is debatable 

So you think the switch is only capable of doing wiiu graphics at 900p and and slightly better framerate. I think its way more capable then that, ports prove it's a way more powerful then wiiu. That's Nintendo just being lazy

Do you have a source on GTAV on PS3/360 using PBR? Not saying it didn't, just cannot verify via Google.

And Switch is much more powerful than Wii U, hence why BOTW on Wii U drops to sub-HD and often falls to around 20fps but is 900-810p and a mostly rock solid 

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/tech-differences-between-switch-and-7th-gen-ps3-360-games.63253/

I thought botw wiiu was mostly  720p and the frame rates weren't that big of a difference I will rewatch on df later.



zeldaring on 05 August 2024
Leynos said:

This thread is just ruined and fucked. Why even keep it open if he is not thread-banned? Like we could be talking about best-looking Switch games and maybe upcoming lookers like Metroid Prime 4. But no we went from derailed about RDR/Wii U/AC/GTA/360/PS3. Anything but the topic.

Actually we are discussing the topic, rdr and AC are on switch, and we are discussing tech differnces  between 7th gen and switch, which is discussion about graphics but what ever, you seem to dislike any opinion that doesn't line up with yours.