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Signalstar said:
Farsala said:

Biden did a lot to tackle the student loan debt crisis. He canceled more student debt than any other president.

Here's what gets me about student loan debt relief.  Ok, let's say we do it.  But, what about the future debt of those kids who are college underclassmen?

What about those kids who are still in high school? In other words, do we have to have student loan debt relief every 4 years, just to be fair to all students?



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More evidence coming out the election was stolen. The GOP used the tactic the KKK used in 1940s when they elected a Klan member as Govenor of Georgia after purging votes from Black voters. The Justice department deemed this ILLEGAL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfs2kC0xOmU&t=1483s

The GOP employed the same strategy amongst 43 states. One GOP operative successful challenged and purged over 30k votes in Georgia. Over 2.7m votes were essentially "deleted".



BFR said:
Signalstar said:

Biden did a lot to tackle the student loan debt crisis. He canceled more student debt than any other president.

Here's what gets me about student loan debt relief.  Ok, let's say we do it.  But, what about the future debt of those kids who are college underclassmen?

What about those kids who are still in high school? In other words, do we have to have student loan debt relief every 4 years, just to be fair to all students?

The proposed amount was only 10k for all people and 20k for poor families that received Pell Grant.

Most importantly they would cancel the debt and see if there were any positive results from it. If so, they would either mandate lower tuitions or cancel more debt. If only negative results, then they would simply not do it again.



Farsala said:

The proposed amount was only 10k for all people and 20k for poor families that received Pell Grant.

Most importantly they would cancel the debt and see if there were any positive results from it. If so, they would either mandate lower tuitions or cancel more debt. If only negative results, then they would simply not do it again.

It feels like their proposal was less like the start of a new experiment, and more like the start of a new precedent.  Luckily, it bombed.



Oh boy

You really gotta be a special breed to vote for both AOC and Trump.

If this was 2016, fine, I can understand the answers here. But now? wtf man



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"Top Democratic Party officials are concerned that the Harris-Walz campaign crossed the finish line with tens of millions of dollars in debt that could now be the party's problem.

Party officials are now scrutinizing how the campaign spent its funds, having raised over $1 billion before Election Day. FEC filings already show shocking payments to celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and tens of millions in event spending and social media influence.

"How do you raise a historic amount of money and not win a single swing state?" one Harris aide told Axios. "The honest answer is: I don't know. It seems we lost the national narrative, and that's what we need to diagnose."

FEC filings show the Harris campaign made two $500,000 payments to Oprah Winfrey’s production company, Harpo, on Oct. 15, a month after Winfrey appeared with Harris at a town hall event and weeks before Oprah was on stage with Harris at a Philadelphia rally before Election Day.

The long list of celebrities that joined Harris on the campaign trail included Beyoncé, Bon Jovi, Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez and Bruce Springsteen.

The Washington Examiner also reported that the Harris campaign spent over $12 million on digital media consultants and spent six figures on building a set for Harris’s appearance on the popular Call Her Daddy podcast with host Alex Cooper.

The campaign spent at least $15 million on "event production," FEC records show, with many payments lining up with high profile events and concerts with celebrity attendees or performers.

The truth is this is just an epic disaster, this is a $1 billion disaster, Lindy Li, Harris surrogate and DNC National Finance Committee member, told "Fox & Friends Weekend" on Saturday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-democrat-officials-worried-tens-of-millions-in-harris-campaign-debt-could-be-their-problem-report/ar-AA1u1cyb?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=15d171b9f5114d49ac45de3128f1b5b6&ei=70



sundin13 said:
bdbdbd said:

Could be. Most what I know is what I read from media around here and what people write in the internet. What the media writes a lot is about the Mexican border and preventing immigrants from coming and deporting illegal immigrants. Then about industrial jobs coming back to US. In EU, the right wing tries to import immigrants to lower wages and trade with China etc. for cheap goods. If you wan people to have jobs, you need to stop the cheap labour from coming. If you¨re poor, you can improve your situation by getting a job or getting a better wage. Wages aren't going up as long as there's cheap labour coming from abroad.

But wages are going up and people are largely employed?

Perhaps. But then there's inflation and prices going up faster than wages go up. 



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BFR said:

Here's what gets me about student loan debt relief.  Ok, let's say we do it.  But, what about the future debt of those kids who are college underclassmen?

What about those kids who are still in high school? In other words, do we have to have student loan debt relief every 4 years, just to be fair to all students?

Education reform. 

Both things should happen if we believe that we should be helping people. It shouldn't be a 1 or the other situation. 

If a hurricane strikes an area where they rarely get hurricanes, you have to do a few things. You have to clean up the mess that the previous hurricane caused, and you likely have to start preparing for the next one. 

Cleaning up the mess doesn't take away from the fact that there's still an ongoing issue. And building better infrastructure that is more hurricane resistant doesn't do anything about the places struggling with the current mess.

Unfortunately one of these things is easier to do than the other, and is a lot easier to campaign on.



BFR said:
Signalstar said:

Biden did a lot to tackle the student loan debt crisis. He canceled more student debt than any other president.

Here's what gets me about student loan debt relief.  Ok, let's say we do it.  But, what about the future debt of those kids who are college underclassmen?

What about those kids who are still in high school? In other words, do we have to have student loan debt relief every 4 years, just to be fair to all students?

Biden's plan though wasn't just about forgiveness, it was about changing the structure of repayment. It did that through a couple different bits:

1) Prevent loan interest from accruing above the principle.

2) Reduce the monthly payments for income driven repayment plans.

3) Automatically forgive loans after a set period of repayment. 

It was a plan designed with underclassmen and high schoolers in mind. It was designed with the goal of making future forgiveness unnecessary. So yeah, he planned for that.

bdbdbd said:
sundin13 said:

But wages are going up and people are largely employed?

Perhaps. But then there's inflation and prices going up faster than wages go up. 

Except wages have been outpacing inflation for years.