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In retrospect, Biden's victory four years ago prevented the Democrats learning the lessons they should have done from Hillary Clinton's loss, much like how they went into the 2004 election thinking they'd easily beat that nasty, election-stealing war criminal George W. Bush, and it wasn't until he dealt John Kerry a decisive loss that they started really looking at themselves and laying the groundwork that would lead to victory in 2008.



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She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.



Ryuu96 said:

She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.

She lost because running Biden was stupid.  Running her was stupid, she NEVER was popular.  She lost because liberal policies DO NOT resonant with the average American.  Trump is an easy target; liberals are too stupid to run a good campaign.  Someone like Peter B. would have easily won.  He is from Indiana, middle America appeal, and he has a military service record, which is very high appeal in middle America.  

Edit

California is turning into a cesspool with increased violent crime and absurd levels of homeless, Harris is from California.  Bad pick.  Americans have been unhappy about the border for 4 years, the Biden administration has done nothing to address it.  Running the incumbent was stupid, full stop.  

Liberals lost, because they underestimated Trump yet again.  They overestimate their policy appeal constantly.  Liberals live in a fantasy world and are completely disconnected from regular hardworking Americans.  



From Wikipedia, as of 5:20am Eastern Time. So many of you guys in this thread were so wrong. Look at the popular vote!



Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.

She lost because running Biden was stupid.  Running her was stupid, she NEVER was popular.  She lost because liberal policies DO NOT resonant with the average American.  Trump is an easy target; liberals are too stupid to run a good campaign.  Someone like Peter B. would have easily won.  He is from Indiana, middle America appeal, and he has a military service record, which is very high appeal in middle America.  

Edit

California is turning into a cesspool with increased violent crime and absurd levels of homeless, Harris is from California.  Bad pick.  Americans have been unhappy about the border for 4 years, the Biden administration has done nothing to address it.  Running the incumbent was stupid, full stop.  

Liberals lost, because they underestimated Trump yet again.  They overestimate their policy appeal constantly.  Liberals live in a fantasy world and are completely disconnected from regular hardworking Americans.  

I am quite surprised.  Trump and Vance have shown deplorable character in this race.  That should matter to Americans.  



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shavenferret said:
Chrkeller said:

She lost because running Biden was stupid.  Running her was stupid, she NEVER was popular.  She lost because liberal policies DO NOT resonant with the average American.  Trump is an easy target; liberals are too stupid to run a good campaign.  Someone like Peter B. would have easily won.  He is from Indiana, middle America appeal, and he has a military service record, which is very high appeal in middle America.  

Edit

California is turning into a cesspool with increased violent crime and absurd levels of homeless, Harris is from California.  Bad pick.  Americans have been unhappy about the border for 4 years, the Biden administration has done nothing to address it.  Running the incumbent was stupid, full stop.  

Liberals lost, because they underestimated Trump yet again.  They overestimate their policy appeal constantly.  Liberals live in a fantasy world and are completely disconnected from regular hardworking Americans.  

I am quite surprised.  Trump and Vance have shown deplorable character in this race.  That should matter to Americans.  

I am not surprised, still disappointed.  But I lived 42 years in middle America, across 3 states.  I can tell everyone, and have tried for months, that liberals do not resonant with their values.  It is just a fact that was proven last night.  Liberals didn't just lose the WH, the lost the senate as well.  It appears they will be losing the House and governors as well.  



Lying about Biden's fitness for the Job till a few months before election to haul Harris on a shield without primary voting. Great plan Democrats....All politicians Lie, it's almost expected from them. But this was so on the nose it was embarrassing.

A well. Last time Trump stopped ISIS at least pretty quickly. Let's hope he does something to stop the killing in the Ukraine/Russia conflict and the Gaza/Israel/Lebanon one. Perhaps he will, perhaps he won't. But Harris definitely would not.



Ryuu96 said:

She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.

You're awake. :). Was waiting patiently to see your thoughts. Same as you man, I'm dipping out of social media and the news until the initial storm passes. 

The UK will be fine, the budget was pretty rough especially for the poor but things will turn around. 

What power does he have as President elect? Is it January until we see what ever he has in store?

Also, may I be unbanned from the Ukraine  thread? I promise to not repost and only comment when I have valid concerns or thoughts on the war. I wanna be able to discuss this under a Trump presidency and have no where else. ERA hate me and I hate NeoGAF. 



Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

She lost because of the economy I.E. Inflation/Grocery Prices, Imho. But on the flip side, if there weren't so many people comfortable with knowingly voting for a fascist, she wouldn't have lost, and that's the scary thing to me. Hatred and bigotry won.

What did they even promise, RFK Jr in control of their health, a brain being eaten alive by worms, an antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist, no fluoride in the water. Banning abortion for all cases. Talking shit about childless adults, Democrats, Puerto Ricans, Haitian-Americans, Mexicans, Jews who don't vote Republican, women, etc, the only group they didn't insult was white men. Musk promising that people will be hurt by their economic plans. Stupid tariff ideas. Drill baby drill. Fuck Ukraine and fuck Palestine.

Robinson, a self claimed Nazi got fucking 40% of the vote.

And I'm sorry, as much as I hate Israel, Palestine had nothing to do with why Democrats lost. Many of these reasons being listed are irrelevant in the face of inflation, human beings are largely selfish. Harris economic plans were far more widely endorsed by people who actually know what they're talking about but Harris was massively hurt by being part of the incumbent government and they receive all the blame, if people can't afford day to day goods then they're going to try someone else even if it makes zero sense.

America is rotten to its core, a lot of people comfortable with fascism and a poor education system wherein people will vote for a convicted felon and man who tried to overthrow democracy because they foolishly believe he will bring the price of their bread and eggs down. Sadly Democrats will take the lesson from this that a female president is unviable so I expect 2028 will be Shapiro - Whitmer.

I'm probably going to have to take a dip from the internet Tbh. Feels like America has just spat in Europe's face and I'm now going to have to watch not only Israel go fucking insane bombing the shit out of Palestine and everyone around them but also watch Ukraine slowly be slaughtered by Russia, thanks America. Real fucking great allies.

I am trying not to be mad at Americans as a whole but it's difficult, I really despise America as a country right now, all I will say is that Democrats should hunker down and protect each other from the shitstorm that is coming their way, look out for each other, and keep up the fight where possible but I don't think I can personally stand to watch this shitshow anymore, I think I just have to focus on my own country.

She lost because running Biden was stupid.  Running her was stupid, she NEVER was popular.  She lost because liberal policies DO NOT resonant with the average American.  Trump is an easy target; liberals are too stupid to run a good campaign.  Someone like Peter B. would have easily won.  He is from Indiana, middle America appeal, and he has a military service record, which is very high appeal in middle America.  

Edit

California is turning into a cesspool with increased violent crime and absurd levels of homeless, Harris is from California.  Bad pick.  Americans have been unhappy about the border for 4 years, the Biden administration has done nothing to address it.  Running the incumbent was stupid, full stop.  

Liberals lost, because they underestimated Trump yet again.  They overestimate their policy appeal constantly.  Liberals live in a fantasy world and are completely disconnected from regular hardworking Americans.  

There are many reasons for the loss. If Kamala was white, old, and from Indiana, with the exact same policies, she would have gotten a ton more votes.

Incumbent governments always lose votes, so already an uphill battle when Biden barely won.

Covid anti boost+ Putin's war bringing up inflation.

The things you bring up are a factor, but not the only factor.

Trumps assassination attempt could be considered too.



Don't forget @chrkellar she said she would change nothing on 60 minutes. That was her defining moment of failure, I'd reckon and as much as she tried she could not walk it back properly.