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curl-6 said:

The fact this is even close when Trump is such a dumpster fire shows how many folks feel alienated by the left, and represents a failure by the Dems to connect with a large swathe of the population.

Trump is awful, but when you can't convince a comfortable majority of the population that you're a better choice, then you've got problems of your own.

::eyeroll::

Any commentary about Trump calling half of the American population “the enemy within” that doesn’t involve the words “yes, but”? 

I live in the South. There is no message Kamala Harris could possibly give that will reach most of the people here. They have been trying. There is almost 200 years of bitter grudges going on here. 



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Ryuu96 said:

This is a fucking wild thing to say, you can see the racist immediately realised how much he fucked up letting those thoughts in his head slip out. Good on Mehdi for not letting it go. Mehdi is a brilliant journalist, I hope if Trump wins he returns to the UK because fuuuuck staying in America. Was funny to see Ryan squirming though.

This is what happens when you platform bigots due to "we must hear both sides!!!" horseshit. BBC does similar shit sometimes, it can be like "Here's a climate scientist with 30 years of experience to talk about climate change, and on the opposite side, we have a Youtuber who doesn't believe in climate change to balance the scales and hear both sides of the debate" Lmao.

Some of these corps would make a Jew debate with Hitler if he was still alive for "balance"

Oh, a Maga person said something racist... so much surprise.



Chrkeller said:


Isn't like core GOP voters suddenly would have gone Biden/Harris.  That is a gross overestimation.  

I meant more like Trump forms a MAGA Party and even if he only takes like 15-20% of the electorate with him, that’s more than enough to give Democrats the edge in tossup and lead red states.

Instead of essentially being 50/50 nationally, we could be looking at something like

Biden/Harris-48%
Haley-35%
Trump-15%
Other-2%

In this scenario, the 7 current swing states would all be safe blue and even lean red states like Texas, Florida, Ohio & Iowa would lean blue.

Even some safe red states where Trump is extremely popular could become tossup in this scenario. States like Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc. were in the high 50s-mid 60s range for Trump, and mid 30-low 40s range for Biden in 2020. A scenario where Biden/Harris, Trump & Haley are all in the low-mid 30s wouldn’t be out of the question.

This could also affect Senate & House races, depending on how many weirdos ran as part of Trump’s MAGA Party rather than as Republicans.

Overall this could have been a 1992 type of election

Clinton-43% (370 EC)
Bush-37% (168 EC)
Perot-19%

Senate-57D, 43R

House-259D, 176R



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:


Isn't like core GOP voters suddenly would have gone Biden/Harris.  That is a gross overestimation.  

I meant more like Trump forms a MAGA Party and even if he only takes like 15-20% of the electorate with him, that’s more than enough to give Democrats the edge in tossup and lead red states.

Instead of essentially being 50/50 nationally, we could be looking at something like

Biden/Harris-48%
Haley-35%
Trump-15%
Other-2%

In this scenario, the 7 current swing states would all be safe blue and even lean red states like Texas, Florida, Ohio & Iowa would lean blue.

Even some safe red states where Trump is extremely popular could become tossup in this scenario. States like Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc. were in the high 50s-mid 60s range for Trump, and mid 30-low 40s range for Biden in 2020. A scenario where Biden/Harris, Trump & Haley are all in the low-mid 30s wouldn’t be out of the question.

This could also affect Senate & House races, depending on how many weirdos ran as part of Trump’s MAGA Party rather than as Republicans.

Overall this could have been a 1992 type of election

Clinton-43% (370 EC)
Bush-37% (168 EC)
Perot-19%

Senate-57D, 43R

House-259D, 176R

Assuming he would run third party.  I don't think he would.  He would actually have to pony up and spend his own money on the campaign for a change.  Most major donors are not putting money into a third party they know can't win.  

Either way, we can agree to disagree.  I think most republicans didn't want a removal from office stain and assumed he would disappear into the sunset.  They should have taken the figurative shot when they have the chance.  



Chrkeller said:
zorg1000 said:

I meant more like Trump forms a MAGA Party and even if he only takes like 15-20% of the electorate with him, that’s more than enough to give Democrats the edge in tossup and lead red states.

Instead of essentially being 50/50 nationally, we could be looking at something like

Biden/Harris-48%
Haley-35%
Trump-15%
Other-2%

In this scenario, the 7 current swing states would all be safe blue and even lean red states like Texas, Florida, Ohio & Iowa would lean blue.

Even some safe red states where Trump is extremely popular could become tossup in this scenario. States like Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc. were in the high 50s-mid 60s range for Trump, and mid 30-low 40s range for Biden in 2020. A scenario where Biden/Harris, Trump & Haley are all in the low-mid 30s wouldn’t be out of the question.

This could also affect Senate & House races, depending on how many weirdos ran as part of Trump’s MAGA Party rather than as Republicans.

Overall this could have been a 1992 type of election

Clinton-43% (370 EC)
Bush-37% (168 EC)
Perot-19%

Senate-57D, 43R

House-259D, 176R

Assuming he would run third party.  I don't think he would.  He would actually have to pony up and spend his own money on the campaign for a change.  Most major donors are not putting money into a third party they know can't win.  

Either way, we can agree to disagree.  I think most republicans didn't want a removal from office stain and assumed he would disappear into the sunset.  They should have taken the figurative shot when they have the chance.  

Well yeah, obviously I’m wrong, that’s not what happened. I’m just saying in the hypothetical scenario where Republican leadership took a firm stance against Trump and he was kicked out or left the party and formed a 3rd party, I could see it going something like this.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

Assuming he would run third party.  I don't think he would.  He would actually have to pony up and spend his own money on the campaign for a change.  Most major donors are not putting money into a third party they know can't win.  

Either way, we can agree to disagree.  I think most republicans didn't want a removal from office stain and assumed he would disappear into the sunset.  They should have taken the figurative shot when they have the chance.  

Well yeah, obviously I’m wrong, that’s not what happened. I’m just saying in the hypothetical scenario where Republican leadership took a firm stance against Trump and he was kicked out or left the party and formed a 3rd party, I could see it going something like this.

I mean if he did form a third party, you are right, it would be destructive.  No way for either of us to know if he would.  Either way, he is terrible long term for the party.  His strong stance against races isn't going to age well, nor is his anti-women's rights.  



So the Trump campaign’s racist comments about Puerto Ricans did end up blowing up in their face. Undecideds on TikTok said they’re now coming out and voting for Harris.

In other words, water is wet.




Harris is a bit ahead right now



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/president-electoral-college-battleground-states

KManX89 said:

So the Trump campaign’s racist comments about Puerto Ricans did end up blowing up in their face. Undecideds on TikTok said they’re now coming out and voting for Harris.

In other words, water is wet.

My only annoyance is people are just NOW figuring out he is a bag of nuts?!!??  He said "good people on both sides" referring to legit Nazi morons years ago.  I don't get how this is news to people.  



JWeinCom said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yeah, he will apologise now and sadly some people will buy his fake apology.

Lol. No he won't. When has Trump ever admitted fault?

LOL indeed. How come that Ryuu is oblivious to this.

The actual sad thing is that this will likely go the way of the Nikki Haley endorsement. When she dropped out of the race, she said that Trump will have to earn her endorsement by making concessions to Haley voters. Not too long after Haley endorsed Trump with Trump doing nothing at all.

Granted, in the current case there are only eight days left until election day, so there is a small chance that the initial grudge against Trump may be sustained.

EDIT: First minute of this video, Trump talks about the rally at MSG.

Sounds like the equivalent to 2 +2 = Elephant.

EDIT2:

Another thing I need to mention today is that the Steelers beat the Giants, so all the NFL teams of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona won their games in week 8. Nevada's and North Carolina's teams lost as expected.

Looking ahead to week 9 of the NFL season, the last one to be played before election day, there's the for the election inconsequential bout between the Lions and Packers because both teams are flying high. The Eagles play against the lowly Jaguars while the Steelers get their week off, so the blue wall states are in great shape on the final stretch.

The Falcons and Cardinals find themselves once again in toss-up games, although this time they'll both play at home, so I'd put their odds at winning a little bit higher than last week. Las Vegas is so bad that they are bound to get smacked in the face, but the Carolina Panthers actually do have a winnable game on their plate; not that it will make much of a difference for the worst team in the league.

What else is there to say? There's no historical precedent that a political party got underestimated in polls three in times in a row in presidential elections, so it's likely that this time around the Democrats are the ones being underestimated. If we analyze based on vibes and enthusiasm, that certainly seems to be the case.

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