I don't know. They could of just invented that definition of gaming because that's what they believe gaming is... story first above all else.

I used to be like that... until I realized just about every story is exactly the same, the characters are the same and you can pick out EVERY damn twist in a game quicker then you can a murder mystery written by the local highschool's drama teacher.

It's natural to think whatever you focus on the most is the most important aspect of whatever you're doing.  I don't think he's actually trying to spite the wii.  I just think he is mistaken.

"...those kinds of experiences are much more like a toy experience. They're playing, together or not, but you're not 'gaming' anymore," argued Zeschuk. "If gaming is defined by story, then generally Wii may not be."

Maybe.  There is a distinct lack of giant pink top hats among US Corporate CEOs, do see that as a viable business to go into?   Part of being a good business analyst is being able to spot the difference between an opening in the market and a "non-need."

I'd love more RPGs though.  What the Wii needs is for a title/developer to prove that there is demand for them. 

 Terrible gameplay, poor UI design and worthless AI do are not forgiven under the "It's not your kind of game so STFU" clause.

This isn't the act of paying a 450 pound woman to beat the crap out of you. It's playing a game.

The former CERTAINLY involves a degree of personal preference in the criterion for enjoying the activity. The latter, however, has universal factors which are open to critique regardless of general preference, and it's with the experience of playing their games that I can point out the holes in their logic.

I forget who said it in the other thread, but Epic shakes a fist at the Wii because it focuses on gameplay over graphics and BioWare is basically mimicking the act, since their games generally feature lack-luster gameplay and focus more on graphics and narrative.

However, BioWare has less to complain about, since they don't build graphics engines AND they're making an RPG for the DS, so calling the Wii "not gaming" and basing their claims upon its focus on new types of gameplay is nonsensical, especially when even Nintendo routinely makes games like SSBB which use traditional control methods.

They're not nearly as angsty as Epic was, though, and they come off as sounding more indifferent than anti-Wii. 

1. Sonic Rush wasn't bad?

2. This article further confused me than it probably should of.

Is he saying what the title says the articles about?

It's like the words are english... but the logical patterns aren't there.

Oh well, I think he basically said, gaming is fun by yourself and with others.

Then said that some games involve no narrative in or out of the game, thus they are toys?

To which I respond what the heck was the question: Going to have to read the article source I guess, no wait guess I dont as the guy didn't answer the question he just went in tangent of it.

Well this is pointless... or is he saying that games w/o narrative are another thing and games with narrative (in or out of the game) are doing their own thing.

I think the way the question was phrased had a bit to do with that, but I can't speak for him in that regard.  I know what I think he meant, but that's about it.

What games do you like then? Seriously, Bioware games have terrific gameplay. Neverwinter Nights is still alive today by the virtue of its multiplayer and *shock* gameplay. The UI design with quickslots was fantastic for its time and the radial menu is neat and has made an appearance in tons of games. Jade Empire was another great game. Heck, my single complaint with Jade Empire is that I wished there had be more battles because I really enjoyed the combat. In an RPG, too few battles is almost unheard of. I'm definitely looking forward to the PC version of Mass Effect and to their "it's done when it's done" original IP Dragon Age.

As for your complaints about Bioware focusing on graphics... WTF. Bioware certainly doesn't skimp on their games, but bleeding edge effects are certainly not what they're known for.

As for SSBB... that was a megahit before it was even released. Expecting that level of success with a new IP on an unfamiliar system would be insanity. SSBB could focus on control with an electrified potato and it would have still sold at least a million copies. SSBB could do whatever it liked.

BIZ: Well there's the quote: BioWare says Wii is not gaming! [laughs]

Zeschuk: If gaming is defined by story, then generally Wii may not be.

If you don't find this illogical, I think we can end our debate here.  

You are correct; I must have skipped over that part of the interview.  I agree with you. 

Well argued.  ^_^